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Features VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1965 and older only please.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Joshua Shaw, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. unassembled
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    now it's perfect... touche LOL o_O
     
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  2. loudbang
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    Now it's perfection :)
     
  3. Speedwrench
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    RIP - Bob Kinser. Steve's father and a hell of a racer in his own right.
     
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  4. Looking for any info about this 38 Studebaker Champ car. George Balster Special.jpg

    97" wheel base. Seiberling 6.50 15 rear tires Firestone 7.35 15 fronts


    1938 226 Studebaker built to 235cu in, 3 carbs Stamped H 27225(1938) Has Brass plate " NEBR 2-2457 " NEBR Tag.jpg
    TWO AAA Champ Id plates
    1952 AAA # 560 . Owner was George Balster and Driver ... 1952 Pikes Peak Hillclimb.........
    Balster was 54, and not quick enough to qualify

    Original pre-War from Nebraska... built in Leavenworth Prison while Balster was an inmate in the mid 40's

    Unusual for a Champ Car , the car has original 4 wheel hydraulic brakes , 3 speed trans with clutch , electric start ,making this a great for preWar Vintage Road Racing.

    It runs and drives very well, and I am looking for anyone with AAA Registration Numbers Records information.

    Dave Perry OldSchool Restorations of North Alabama U.S.A. dave@race-cardrivers.com
     

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  5. ..Also hunting info on my Ranger aircraft 440cu in aircooled engine powered IMCA Big Car from Kansas.

    ugly 1950's Ground Pounder , not easily forgotten, if you have seen it before

    Dave Perry OldSchool Restorations of North Alabama USA dave@race-cardrivers.com

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  6. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Hard to imagine how they got an inline six with a clutch / three-speed trans inside a 97" wheelbase.
     
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  7. vintageracer37
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    Malcolm Brazier ran the Pikes Peak Hill Climb from 1951 to 1976
     
  8. cresentwrench
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    I think you mean IMCA - International Motor Contest Assn. They ran that type of motor until the small block Chev. took over.
     
  9. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I wonder how much horsepower a Ranger six made? Were they high tech, 4-valve-per-cylinder, etc. or just a cheap, lightweight throwaway airplane engine? Needless to say they were much bigger than the Miller / Offys. How did they compare power-wise?

    [EDIT: I just Googled it. They made between 175 and 200 hp, depending on compression ratio (between 6:1 and 7.5:1) at 2450 RPM.]

    That leads me to wonder how much they were hopped up for auto racing usage. Certainly some reliability compromises could have been made in the name of more power.
     
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  10. 28dreyer
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    I would call them high tech and light weight. SOHC with roller followers, two valves per cylinder, hemi head, running inverted with a dry sump oil system. Compression was raised by utilizing progressively higher domed pistons. Seven main bearings and a 4 1/8" bore with a 5 1/2 " stroke. Forged crank, chrome moly forged I beam rods, and chrome moly forged cylinder barrels, 375 pounds. Plenty of torque to pull and Offy out of the turns on a heavy track.

    Del Fanning at Aurora Speedway in Seattle was running up to 5,000 rpm, claimed over 400 hp for his lay down Ranger. He was beating the Chevy V-8's into the early '60's. I Presume he had pistons with compression above 11:1 running alcohol.

    Oddly enough, I just spent the day beginning teardown on a Ranger.

    What is a throwaway airplane engine?
     
  11. oldtom69
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    a lot of ranger info out there[vintage sprint car page on Facebook etc]440 cubic inch,air cooled,single overhead cam.when the whole airplane[usually a fairchild PT-19]could be bought for a couple hundred right after WWII,you would have to consider the engine as cheap.In the aircraft the engine was mounted with the crankshaft up and the pistons pointing down,so in the car its actually mounted upside down and backwards!most modifications were limited to multiple carbs[hilborn even made a few injectors for the ranger]
     
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  12. oldtom69
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    "what is a throw away airplane engine?" any one without logbooks LOL
     
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  13. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    While not intending to dis the Ranger engine in particular or airplane engines in general I think some target drone engines and the like - maybe even engines for trainers as opposed to front-line weaponry - were probably intended to be short life, easy to manufacture pieces. I see that the Ranger has some desirable attributes that probably place it above that class, not the least of which would be the ability to get 400 HP from a 375 lb powerplant.
     
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  14. brasscarguy
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    QUOTE="28dreyer, post: 12300252, member: 47743"]I would call them high tech and light weight. SOHC with roller followers, two valves per cylinder, hemi head, running inverted with a dry sump oil system. Compression was raised by utilizing progressively higher domed pistons. Seven main bearings and a 4 1/8" bore with a 5 1/2 " stroke. Forged crank, chrome moly forged I beam rods, and chrome moly forged cylinder barrels, 375 pounds. Plenty of torque to pull and Offy out of the turns on a heavy track.

    Del Fanning at Aurora Speedway in Seattle was running up to 5,000 rpm, claimed over 400 hp for his lay down Ranger. He was beating the Chevy V-8's into the early '60's. I Presume he had pistons with compression above 11:1 running alcohol.

    Oddly enough, I just spent the day beginning teardown on a Ranger.

    What is a throwaway airplane engine?[/QUOTE]

    I was running with the unlimited hydros in the early 60's. Del Fanning had a speed shop and wire wheel service shop, up on auto row in Seattle. Someone talked him into driving an unlimited hydroplane. It was sponsored by a rental company "The Tool Crib". He actually turned some good qualifying times but did not fare well in traffic. That hydro sat on the roof of the old Lake Union Cafe for years until they remolded the place. He was a very gritty character.

    just sayin'

    brasscarguy
     
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  15. Michael Ferner
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    I don't think Malcolm Brazier ever drove a Stude up Pikes Peak. There must be other racers with the same forename out there...
     
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  16. Michael Ferner
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    Let's not fool ourselves, the Ranger was popular because it was cheap, available, and exactly twice the capacity of a regular Offy! With a good driver, it had a fighting chance to keep up with some of the lesser Offies, i.e. those that were driven by novices or second tier racers, but a Ranger never caused any headaches for a Jimmy Bryan or a Tommy Hinnershitz.
     
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  17. For sure, no one said this car went to to Pikes Peak
     
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  18. Interesting website, Michael.

    Have you seen the Cantanaro Spl was a Wayne12Port Six ...DNQ Indy '49 '51 .. it's only about 150km from you

    running here at my shop https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...26EA09D59570623C753F26EA09D59570623&FORM=VIRE
     
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  19. 28dreyer
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    [/QUOTE] I was running with the unlimited hydros in the early 60's. Del Fanning had a speed shop and wire wheel service shop, up on auto row in Seattle. Someone talked him into driving an unlimited hydroplane. It was sponsored by a rental company "The Tool Crib". He actually turned some good qualifying times but did not fare well in traffic. That hydro sat on the roof of the old Lake Union Cafe for years until they remolded the place. He was a very gritty character. brasscarguy[/QUOTE]

    Here is further to the Del Fanning hydroplane connection...

    "His Ranger engine wound up in a weird trimaran hydroplane which never ran but is in the Seattle Hydro Museum."
     
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  20. blackout78666
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    This post is for the California sprint car guys. I stumbled across a "honey hole"
    Of vintage sprint car parts. Guy is wanting to sell as a lot. Unfortunately for me he does NOT want to mess with packing or shipping the stuff. So seeing as I'm in Texas it looks like I'm out. Bummer. But hopefully one of y'all can get lucky. All I ask is that if you end up with the parts you DONT throw them on eBay. Location is in between Paso Robles and San Jose. Pm for more info. There are some parts in there I could really use. You would not be obligated to sell any of them to me but I sure would appreciate the opportunity. Thanks all
     
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  21. sramoa
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    Dave,

    I found an interesting article from Lincoln Journal Star Aug. 29th,1952-Balster tried to qualify but he was slow.He was 54 years old in this time.
    Also Mr. Balster was killed his brother at 1924 then he wass served life sentence,but after 19 years get out and entered defense work as a mechanic.
    I think he was built this Studebaker when he was in jail.
     

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  22. blackout78666
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    Thought I'd share some update pics of my 1965 AJ Watson sprint car build. Had been almost a year since I started this project and the wheels touched the dirt for the first time Sunday!!! Man what a feeling. Have had so much help on this project getting it to where it is. A big thank you to Josh Shaw, Ron Greenfield, Frank Koerbacher, Martins Machine, Ralph in Spokane and so many others.. this has been a passion project and trying to do it "right" has not been easy. That being said I was fortunate to stumble across AJ Watson designed plans and would be happy to email anyone the scanned and to scale prints. Hope y'all dig it as much as I have

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  23. blackout78666
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    And here is where I was at 1 year ago.

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  24. ROADSTER1927
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    WOW looks like you Nailed it! Could not be any cooler!:)
     
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  25. Speedwrench
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    Looking good. Any shots with the body on it ?
     
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  26. 1929CDAN
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    Great looking.
     
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  27. blackout78666
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    Here's some pics with the body on. The belly pans have been made and everything fit up. Lots of dzus fasteners!!!
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  28. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Nice
    I noticed a couple of different sets of tires pictured. Would you care to share who supplied your tires?
     
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  29. blackout78666
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    Frenchtown flyer the tires are NOS.. once i get out to running hard laps ill probably have a new set of shoes at least on the right side... the Knobbys came from a set of wheels I Bought from Frank"One Shot"on the HAMB.. hes been awesome with help and encouragement on this project....
     
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  30. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Very cool to have found NOS. I wonder if you have any recommendations on where to purchase new vintage looking tires when the time comes. Coker or ???
     
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