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Features VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1965 and older only please.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Joshua Shaw, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. indyrjc
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    Rootie, it looks like Watson was running both a coilover front suspension as well as a 4-bar setup at various times during the 1961 season on the Leader Card dirt car. And that right front spring almost looks coil bound in your photo.
    He also used the coilover setup on his roadsters in 1961 for both Ward and Johnny Boyd with less than spectacular results although Ward did manage to get a win at Milwaukee. The non adjustable shocks of the day likely weren't up to the task. At any rate Watson was back to torsion bars in 1962 although his later dirt cars did use coilovers again.
     
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  2. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Compared to the coil springs commonly found on most coil-over shocks today those springs look woefully inadequate in diameter and wire size.
     
  3. Rootie Kazoootie
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    On his later effort with the coil sprint car Watson added a sway bar to help control roll resistance. 1960s shocks were pretty primitive by later day standards. Capture watson 2.JPG
     
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    French,
    speeds were a lot lower then, reducing rates and track conditions weren't the smooth slicked in stuff of today. Look at the tires and you see that horsepower could only handle the narrow tires. The battle was to keep it upright, not necessarily stuck.

    Just my opinion.

    Along those lines, in a conversation with Tommy Hinnershitz, (1960ish) I asked how he drove so smoothly through the holes and ruts while others bounced around. He said, " The secret is breaking the rear wheels loose so you slide through!"
     
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    On the subject of Indy cars and torsion bars and coil overs. Remember the MG liquid suspension special in the 60s? It was rear engined also.
     
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    Is that J.R."Whitey " Hollowood looking on ???
     
  8. Rootie Kazoootie
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    East coast midget racing legend, Dutch Schafer in a rare sprint car appearance at Reading 1961. 8-29-a.JPG
     
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  9. indyrjc
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    Speaking of Watson here is a video taken last Saturday of the ceremony dedicating a plaque to A.J. just across from the main entrance to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The Indiana Racing Memorial Association (IRMA) and the Town of Speedway put this program together.

     
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  10. Jim Nise
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    Dutch Schafer didn't drive sprint cars much. His wife was massively against it.

    He was tough in a midget!
     
  11. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Kentucky driver James "Chick" Smith at Franklin Ind. 1940s. Of note: his partner, Morse, was a relation to E.T. Morse who owned the (ex-Colvin K.E.Y.) Ezra Brooks car in the late 60s. 8-30-james chick smith franklin.JPG
     
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  12. burdie5533
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    005.JPG
    I thought I would post my Dad's collection. They have mostly been sold recenlty so they will not be together again. Lots of special memories.
     
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    BURDIE5533: How about some individual pictures with some history for each?(drivers/races/finish positions/etc.)
     
  14. bcook
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    10402657_4392479026547_7289304965385044979_n (500x292).jpg anybody know who built this car??
     
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    The only ones with history are the red sprint car, 4th one back and the white midget next to last. I will try to upload more. Here is a CAE sprint but I dont know anything about history. more. SEVENC~1.JPG SEVENC~2.JPG SEVENC~3.JPG
     
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  17. Rootie Kazoootie
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    8-31-wallard crac-raft 47.JPG Lee Wallard in the Cracraft #7, 1947.
     
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    I don't think so. The first driver was Mike McGreeve (pardon the spelling) and was owned by Bob Willies for quite a while in the early days.
     
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    Its a Shalala built I think in 1962.
     
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    Foyt outside of Bob Veith. Langhorne, 1959.
    Foyt veith horne 1959.jpg
     
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    WOW - remember my dad taking me to Allentown fairgrounds to watch Dutch Schafer race midgets late 50's maybe 1960. Never got to Reading track before became a shopping center.
     
  23. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Mel Weidner, Nazareth Pa. 1940s. 9-1-weidner naz.JPG
     
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  24. Jim Nise
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    bcook,
    I don't know who built Homeyer's 1961 sprinter. He only had it in 1961. In 1962 he had the Jud Phillips built chevy. I never saw it again.

    That picture is Jack Rounds, I think at IRP. Jack didn't last long in that seat. He was replaced by Al Keller.
     
  25. wcook
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    thanks Jim...Rounds looks that way in every picture I've seen of him...could be a Watson???
     
  26. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Don't really know anything about this car out of the PNW/Seattle area from the mid/late 50s. The driver looks kinda like Shorty Templeman but hard to say for sure. 9-2-a.JPG
     
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  27. re #24423, kon. hot car. per traylor team history(j.heisler), this was the car that musselman wrecked @ langh. in 1957. it appears on his detailed history of the traylor team as 1 of the 2 cars built by hickey for traylor. hickey also stretched 2 midgets, caccia & beal into sprints. again, this is per research by buzz rose & joe heisler.
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  28. bcook
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    very interesting!! thanks very much.... Ben... what ever became of it??
     
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  29. bcook, according to heisler, car is restored & somewhere in calif. joe says spoke to owner years ago @ EMMR, doesn't remember the guys name. any info on this w/be apprec.
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