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Features VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1965 and older only please.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Joshua Shaw, Jan 17, 2008.

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    ...so I guess we need to get to grips with the new format,and post more......to be honest,without this thread,and the people I have ''met'' here, I don't think I would have got as far on my project as I have.Now I know my car is not real, but its as close as I can get........for reality,I check out the cars here.....
     
  2. ......oh Hell...done something wrong....:(
     
  3. s55mercury66
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    s55mercury66
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    from SW Wyoming

    You may atone for your mistake by towing that sprinter around with the Vette, from Friday evening through Monday morning for the rest of the summer ;)
     
  4. carl s
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    Your car is real!
    Excellent work.
    All of em are, it's often the stories sometimes attached to them that are not.
    Really looking forward to seeing you out on the track.
     
  5. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Rootie Kazoootie
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    Stellar job on that car, Black vette, looks great. You're right, complaining about things isn't going to change anything. To bring this thread back to life, people need to post pics, ask questions, tell stories etc. In that respect, I came across a few shots from the 1958 Riverside road race sprint car race on Getty a while back and am kinda intrigued by this car. Looks to be a ex Indy roadster (Kurtis ?) with 6 deuces and pipe organ exhaust on a nailhead out of the unlikely, tiny, little burg of Baxter Spr. Kans. Anybody know more about it? rir150191175.jpg rir (2).jpg
     
  6. ...Rootie......as long as you keep posting these rare cars....I'm in........oh thanks for your kind comments boys......
     
  7. Blacki-Suede
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  8. s55mercury66
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    I don't know about the Buick, Rootie, but that's an interesting list of folks you posted. Some day I will figure out how to post pics here. I have one of Jan Opperman at Ascot in a Ranger. I wonder if it was Hank Hanstead's X55?
     
  9. Denny Zimmerman
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    Rootie, Thanks for posting, no info to add to that but lot of familiar names. Some I raced with long ago.
    On a different subject.......anyone heard from Spike (Jim) Ruth?
     
  10. BZNEIL
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    Here is a pic challenge. Always planning my next build which may not happen for quite a while, but I want to build a Watson roadster clone. Several of the recent built cars I have seen have Small blocks in them. Some have rotated the motor a little so the left side exhaust comes out straight. My question is what does it look like in the driver compartment? I know when the roadsters went super modified, they just cut out the frame and let the motor hang out side of the frame using the original 7" off set. But these modern repros have the motor completely inside the frame and under the hood. I have the frame modeled in the computer along with the small block. To get the motor inside the frame it puts the drive line right into the side of the seat. I have seen the angled drive line using 2 u joints and a torque arm, but even with that not much room for a transmission. Curious if anyone has any pics of these modern cars from the inside. The other option would be a ford focus motor. Just not into the alfa. Thanks
     
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  11. BZNEIL
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    Paul, your car is a s real as mine is, and the Indy speedway bricks and asphalt didn't seem to mind at all! Many of the "real" restorations have less original parts than either of our cars.
     
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    [QUOTE="Rootie Kazoootie, I came across a few shots from the 1958 Riverside road race sprint car race on Getty a while back and am kinda intrigued by this car. Looks to be a ex Indy roadster (Kurtis ?) with 6 deuces and pipe organ exhaust on a nailhead out of the unlikely, tiny, little burg of Baxter Spr. Kans. Anybody know more about it? View attachment 2680620 View attachment 2680621 [/QUOTE]
    ...Rootie,do you think that car was quiet new ?....well give it three or four years......would an Indy roadster have been obsolete that soon ?........Oh I have a ''dumb'' question.....I have seen photo's of John Zink's midget, sprint,and Indy cars,but what does his sponser ''Leader Card'' do ?
     
  13. BZNEIL......I think we must have been separated at birth.....A Watson Roadster is high up on my ''to do'' list......I know you don't like the Alfa,but I would have thought the trans on a Duratec or Zetec would be roughly the same size,and Gary B seems to get the Alfa to fit OK.......once you have figured it out,I'm right behind you...:)
    oh here are a few shots of one of Gary B's roadsters...he helped me out when I ran into problems with my brake pedal.....
     
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  14. Rootie Kazoootie
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    I'm just assuming it was a ex-Indy roadster so, yes, it wouldn't have been very old. It seems unlikely that being based in S.E. Kansas in the heart of dirt track country someone would purposely build a roadster, but I really don't know. I assume it was raced with the IMCA or BCRA at some point. Maybe someone with more complete IMCA history/stats might find a reference to it.

    Leader Card was (is) a large printing, paper company owned by the Wilke family.
     
  15. Rootie Kazoootie
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    ward.JPG Speaking of Wilke/Leader Card, here's a nice shot of Rodger Ward in the champ car in 59, I believe this is the car Jimmy Bryan was killed in
     
  16. ......thanks Rootie....
     
  17. carl s
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    Here's a photo, courtesy Indiana Racing Memorial FB of Bryan and the car just before the Langhorne race on June 19th : https://www.facebook.com/indianaracingmemorialassociation?fref=photo
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    Caption reads: "An incredible photo of Jimmy Bryan with a towel on his head, back to the camera, on June 19, 1960 at Langhorne. The day he died. Lloyd Ruby is just behind his #28 car, and Don Branson's car is the #7. Branson won the pole, Bryan was 2nd quick."
     
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  18. Rootie Kazoootie
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    That is a great pic. Not much more beautiful than 50s/60s dirt champ cars with those big ol tall tires, and in color too!
     
  19. .....this is where I get confused....I just love these champ cars,but were they a pre cursor to the roadsters.....how were they allowed to run ?
     
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  20. ...got to see the Watson built and Foyte driven Sprint Car at Amelia Island.....made my day...great to see it with its vintage trailer,although some were saying it would have been better off it and on the ground DSC04903.JPG DSC04904.JPG ......either way,its such a great car....
     
  21. DSC04888.JPG .....talking of ''cross over'' cars.......where would this fit in ?
     
  22. gnichols
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    Regardless of who likes what and when, I bet this car sounds amazing!!! Gary

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  23. Offy 220
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    Black Vette 59,
    When I had to auction off the AJ Watson / AJ Foyt sprint car back in August '10 the trailer went along with the car. Its the original Watson Dolly Trailer except it is missing the front dolly. When my dad and I bought the car in pieces back in '85 the trailer was sitting behind the garage at Maxson's home, Dean Jeffries father in law. rusted, needing restoration and missing the front tongue. I am glad to see the car out in public since it is now in a museum in Florida and I agree it would look better sitting on the ground. Thanks for posting the photos.
     
  24. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Technically there never was a "roadster" or a "dirt car" they were all just Champ cars. AAA, then USAC didn't care where the engine was located as long as the cars met wheelbase, track width etc. rules. By the mid 50s the upright (dirt) cars were uncompetitive on pavement but superior on the dirt so most teams had each. The championship points were awarded to the driver and owner so what car was used at what track didn't matter.
     
  25. mac miller
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    Not necessarily true... Read my article below and you will find out that the "dirt cars" were still quite competitive with the roadsters and, even, the rear engine cars on the paved miles into the mid 60s.

    http://indyroadsters.webs.com/apps/blog/show/3841793-the-roadster-tracks-where-they-raced

    "mac miller" preparing to drive the Bob Dicks "ALFA powered" #98 Agajanian/Willard Battery Spl. at the Milwaukee Mile a couple of weeks ago. I did about 60 laps in this car and over 200 laps in the Carl Schulz #15 Boyle Valve Spl. Absolutely excellent weekend!!!

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    mac miller in INDY
     
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  26. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Just a generalization to make a point.
     
  27. Rootie.....thats the easiest explanation I've had that I can understand.......I like ''generalization'' at my age.....so much to learn,not enough time to learn it......what ever....just love these cars.....
    Offy220......nice to hear from you,been a while,thanks for the information......
    Mac Miller.......that was worth the read...thanks.....

    thats why I,at least.need this thread....:)
     
  28. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Having a bad day on the high banks. Looks like Dunseth got both his cars run over in this one. wreck.JPG
     
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  29. Ghosteh
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    Restoration underway...
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    Its stable-mate...
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