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Features VINTAGE SPRINT CAR PIC THREAD, 1965 and older only please.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Joshua Shaw, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. BZNEIL
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    Guffy, thanks for the updates! Its everyones dream to find an Indy roadster buried in a super modified. I may never find that jewel so it is nice to live vicariously through your build.
     
  2. BZNEIL
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    After many years of dreaming and a few years of fabricating and 2 rain dates I finally got to drive my midget at the Hoosier 100! It was such a thrill to be pushed off for the first time. The car started and performed flawless for the 6 laps I got to run on the big 1 mile.

    Got to finally meet some people from this board in person, and the MOVRCC were great host and very helpful for a first timer like me.

    The trip went without a hitch until I got home and noticed my trailer wheel was sitting at a weird angle. Turns out sometime during the last 45 minutes of my trip home the bearing in the wheel hub let go and the hub was riding directly on the spindle with nothing holding the hub on but the spindle nut which was worn down to about nothing. Axle is junk but at least it got me home! The racing gods were looking after me for sure.

    Here are some pics, the second one is from Chad Freeman's cage cam.

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  3. memaerobilia
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    Well, this is killing me. I've discussed here, several times, my waiting for oldest son to come and pick up the Original Granite State Spl, sprint car, we decided he would get and keep. But now, waiting for several years for him to pick it up, and with the house n contract, he still has no place to put it, or time to come and pick it up. So, reluctantly, I would consider parting with it (or either one of the other sprint or midget)to a good collector home, at this point.
    The car has tons of great history, a full file of old original photos, and letters and correspondence from some of the former drivers who made quite a name for themselves in this car. It even won two Ice racing Championships in 41 & 42.
    Still the Original steel body & most parts, as we got it, intact. and so many interting and unique features and history etc.
     

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  4. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Ya done good, I don't see any steam/coolant spewing out, so I assume you got your overheating problems figured out.
     
  5. BZNEIL
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    It started to creep up to 220 after I pulled of the track and drove start and stop through the parking lot to my trailer, but on the track it seemed to be OK for short runs. Going to switch to Alcohol sometime this summer, already have everything I need for the switch.
     
  6. 28dreyer
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    The other thing you don't see is a cage.

    Not only is this a very attractive looking car. the restoration workmanship is first class.

    Nice job Neil
     
  7. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Yeah I suspect the alky might help knock down the temps some. If not, here's a sure cure: :D:D:D
     

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  8. baldtireman
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    Dave McMillin,of Wampum,Pa. equipped his Super Modified(it was a caged sprinter)#21 the same way in the early 1960's@ Heidelberg..I remember the "in the pis" interview describing it. It sure was FUGLY!!!:eek:
     
  9. Bob Cicconi
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    Running a midget on a mile track is a unique experience!! Good looking machine!
     
  10. BZNEIL...really nice to see the car where she belongs....it looks stunning...well done sir....its a real credit to you...
     
  11. mac miller
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    from INDY

    Had an excellent time Friday night, at the Hoosier Hundred, hanging out with BZNEIL, 28dreyer, racer5c and circletrack40. Great guys with great cars.

    mac miller in INDY
     
  12. sprintfreak
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    Car looks great Neil. Good seeing you again.
     
  13. hlfuzzball
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    from Michigan

    Hey Guffey,

    Quote: still looking for information on Rich Clement's 2 man Indy car hot rod from the 50's in Chicago.

    Check your PM's.
     
  14. Speedwrench
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  15. easter
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    Back in the 60's or early 70's they adverstised a Sprint Car race at Trenton. I remember thinking "Nobody could live through that." Steve Krisilof (sp) won the thing. But, A MIDGET ON A MILE? The first time I heard about a midget on a mile I thought there had been a mistake. I can't imagine.
     
  16. Bobert
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    I recall seeing midgets at Milwaukee in the not too distant past.
     
  17. Bill Chadbourne
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    Midgets on the mile at Phoenix during the Copper Classic was the best show of the four class's that ran each year, to bad they quit running it.

    Bill
     
  18. guffey
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    Thanks BZ I don't want to bore everyone but I figure without this thread I probably wouldn't know what that chassis was yet! It is pretty friendly, it waves at you a little when you walk by it.
     
  19. 28dreyer
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    I remember being there, perhaps in 1956 or so, which is sort of the distant past and probably predates what you recall.

    Seems to me the midget lap times were very close to the Champ Cars.

    Anyone have resources to check that out?
     
  20. TommyA19
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    Midgets ran on the big circle - Langhorne, too. 100 & 150 mile races. Trenton had 250 & 300 milers for the Midgets. That was prior to it going from a mile to a mile and a half. Midgets ran on the mile and a half Lime Rock Road course, quite a few times. And at the Glen, too. Also, there was a 500 mile Midget race on the Riverside, CA road course, too - back in the day.
     
  21. TommyA19
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    I have a photo of the start of a 100 mile Midget race at Milwaukee - Ward on pole and the stands were packed.
     
  22. Rootie Kazoootie
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    1961=
    midget- PJ- 100 lap record 99.9
    Champ Ward 100 lap- 103
     
  23. Bobert
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    It was within the past 9 years. Midgets were run with the Champ Car race the day before the Indycars. Recall riding the bike up from the Joliet area. Don't remember if the midgets were USAC and could have been NMRA at the time.
     
  24. gearguy
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    Last midget race on the Milwaukee Mile that I saw, probably 2007, was a parade. Big tires made for fast laps but little passing. They run the USAC midgets on the 7/8 mile in Newton Iowa at very high speeds.
    Long races won't happen with the expensive motors in today's midgets. $35,000 each plus a $5000/$10000 rebuild every 10 to 12 races. You can't pay a big enough purse to cover the rebuilds. Not to mention the tire bill. Pavement midgets use up $500 to $1000 of tires in a typical short paved track show. They don't even run trophy dashes anymore because of cost complaints.
     
  25. barstowpo
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    Midget race at Phoenix was probably the best race I've ever seen. Different leader every lap. Those cars would dart in and out and just stick.
     
  26. carl s
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    I realize those 1990s 'times' have come and gone but I agree with your opinion and the entire 3 day Copper World Classic (prior to the sale of the track) including the evening CRA Sprintcar racing at nearby Manzanita made it the best value -for myself and 20-30K fans I have or will ever see.
     
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  27. designs that work
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    The down side of midgets on 1 mile tracks is Kruseman (sp) at Sacramento. Seventeen (17) barrel roles down the front straight.
     
  28. 28dreyer
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    Yes, just as I remember.

    Now, on my soapbox, why run such a race?

    Midgets were made to run on small tracks in the '30's. They ran on cinder track and field ovals around football fields, 1/5 mile velodromes, etc.

    Later on 1/4 and 1/3 and 3/8 miles purpose built tracks.

    Today to me, the paved ORP, the dirt Belleville etc. are too much track.

    The shorter the track the better the action, for drivers and spectators.
     
  29. jimg12
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    I agree with 28Dreyer. I drove a midget on a mile[Duquion] in 1966.
     
  30. easter
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    Thank you for having the courage to say that. The bigger the track, the bigger the car. That's the way it should be in my opinion.
     

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