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Hot Rods Use of zip ties

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Almostdone, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. Almostdone
    Joined: Dec 19, 2019
    Posts: 629


    Don’t shoot me just yet for starting a thread about zip ties...

    I noticed quite a few cars at GNRS last week looked period correct except for their use of plastic zip ties on their wiring. It really bugged me so I looked into it. What we now refer as zip ties were invented in 1958 and the same company still sells them (Ty-rap invented by Maurus C. Logan of the Thomas and Betts company in Memphis, TN).

    So how many of you use them on your cars?

    ‘Now pull the trigger or gently lower the hammer as you see fit.
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  2. They can make nice wire looms, they can however be used to excess. 68BEF0FA-1857-4948-A52F-0078BD2470B0.jpeg
  3. guthriesmith
    Joined: Aug 17, 2006
    Posts: 5,813

    1. H.A.M.B. Chapel

    I use them but sparingly. They can be handy to tidy up things like wiring, but are also somewhat of a temporary solution since they can get brittle and break over time. I also work for a construction equipment manufacturer and we use them with that same thought process on new equipment. The looks of them don't bother me much as long as they aren't overused. Interesting that they have been around since the late 50's. I wouldn't have guessed that.
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  4. I use them, I don't have the patience to use string/twine and make it look beautiful, so zip ties around the wiring and then electrical tape. HRP

  5. guthriesmith
    Joined: Aug 17, 2006
    Posts: 5,813

    1. H.A.M.B. Chapel

    And, I have done the exact same as scotty t above. :D A guy taught me that trick back when I was in high school.
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  6. Scotty t,
    Very clever,,,,and they do the job,,,,keeping the wires apart to prevent arcing.
    Good idea.

  7. Guilty, but I cover the whole mess with woven fabric split loom.
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  8. sevenhills1952
    Joined: Mar 14, 2018
    Posts: 956


    In auto class in the 70s one teacher didn't like them for ignition wires. He said people were so concerned with making wires parallel and pretty then having misfire from inductive pickup one wire next to another one.

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  9. oldiron 440
    Joined: Dec 12, 2018
    Posts: 2,525

    oldiron 440

    I cover the wire with fabric cover also.

    It seams to me the zip ties have gotten brittle, you pull them tight and they break.
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  10. Heck yeah i use them. Use the white ones where they can't be seen, like under the dash, and the black ones under the hood, they kinda blend in.
  11. Ziggster
    Joined: Aug 27, 2018
    Posts: 922


    I was actually wondering about this the last week. When I looked at my recently purchased vintage Allen Syncrograph (1948+), the wires were secured with what appears to be a simple string. What did they use on cars from that era and prior?
  12. gene-koning
    Joined: Oct 28, 2016
    Posts: 2,624


    I carry a bundle of them in my car for emergency purposes, you know, in case the last ones I used for the last emergency, break also.

    I believe that if you need to resort to looking for zip ties to find fault with my stuff, you really need to look into getting glasses. Its much easier to find incorrect things on my stuff then having to look that hard.

    I do try to limit the number of zip ties on my stuff to around 100. There are too many things they just don't work for.

    Smile! Spring is coming! Gene
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    I try not to use them on my old cars. Sometimes I will if they're not visible.
  14. David Gersic
    Joined: Feb 15, 2015
    Posts: 2,457

    David Gersic
    from DeKalb, IL

    Cable lacing.

    Once you get going, it’s pretty quick to do.

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  15. RJP
    Joined: Oct 5, 2005
    Posts: 2,043

    from PNW

    years ago a guy that hung around my shop worked at a place that made those zip ties the cops use for handcuffs. He'd bring a couple big bundles over when he wanted to trade for some labor. Talk about overkill, you could use those things to hobble a rhino. Big problem was the color. Any color you wanted, as long as it was orange.
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  16. Hnstray
    Joined: Aug 23, 2009
    Posts: 12,232

    from Quincy, IL

    Zip ties, like every other hardware item, come in a wide variety of price ranges and materials. Yes, they are all 'plastic' but not all plastics are created equal.

  17. rusty rocket
    Joined: Oct 30, 2011
    Posts: 4,405

    rusty rocket

    I did a twine wrap on my head light wires that run down the frame rail but once I got under the dash for all the wiring I used zip ties, the only reason I did was that the inside of the car is so small I could not get into it to do a twine wrap. I told my self that I wasn't going to use them because I have a 1950 cut off date for the parts. I guess it's better than wires flopping around. image.jpg
  18. jimmy six
    Joined: Mar 21, 2006
    Posts: 10,255

    jimmy six

    Have used them in power plants as soon as they let us stop wax string looming. Whites rot and break and black seem to last forever out of the light. I always turn them so the ty point is behind and not seen. Cutting them with dykes (side cutters for you PC guys) will cut you as they leave a sharp edge.
  19. Marty Strode
    Joined: Apr 28, 2011
    Posts: 6,286

    Marty Strode

    I grind the side cutters thin on a belt sander, and it makes "flush cutters", no sharp tabs.
  20. Ziggster
    Joined: Aug 27, 2018
    Posts: 922


    Thanks for the vid. You learn something new everyday. I agree that the use of zip ties doesn't really look that great IMHO if over used. I think I'll try the lace method and some simple aluminum or steel "P" and buckle clips.
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  21. Perhaps I am just tired but I have not figured that out. Looks good.

  22. guthriesmith
    Joined: Aug 17, 2006
    Posts: 5,813

    1. H.A.M.B. Chapel

    You just use one that loops over all the wires, then put one between each plug wire looping it around the main one that sort of pulls it together and creates spacers to keep the wires apart. It takes four total zip ties to do what holds the four wires apart in scotty t’s example not including the two others where he is just retaining two wires.
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  23. I stole that idea from buddy who stole it from a buddy who..........
  24. Oh yeah,,,,,the old R E O help tip.
    Heard it from a friend,,,,who heard from a friend,,,,,,heard it from another.
    At least it works,,,,,and it’s a good tip .

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  25. blowby
    Joined: Dec 27, 2012
    Posts: 8,040

    from Nicasio Ca

    I have a zip tied holding my bundle of zip ties together.
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  26. Fortunateson
    Joined: Apr 30, 2012
    Posts: 4,367


    I use them exclusively to keep my Zips bundled...
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  27. 34Larry
    Joined: Apr 25, 2011
    Posts: 1,649


    I wrote I use them very sparingly myself and hide them the best I can, (and it didn't post). I use black ones 3/16's wide.:cool:
  28. Wouldn't take a road trip with out them !
  29. I have always called them tie wraps; never zip ties. Is that an age thing or maybe a regional thing?
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  30. You posted it on the garage tips Larry :D

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