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Technical Trying to remove cam in Ford 260...

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  1. Fisher400
    Joined: Jan 27, 2020
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    Fisher400

    Replacing my cam in my stock 2 barrel Ford 260 (Nov 62 early block) and it won’t come out. What am I missing? The youtubers make it look like the cam leaps out of the block!

    The heads are getting worked on so I am replacing the tired cam and lifters with either a stock or Summit SUM-K3601 very mild cam.

    I have the block rotated upside down on the stand so the lifters are off the lobes (too varnished to be pulled out, planning to push them through one the cam is out). Thrust plate is off, timing gear is on as a handle and I can’t get this to budge... any thoughts or tips are appreciated. Also, if you put a new cam in a 260, I would appreciate any tips or suggestions. Ohh and yes this is my first cam swap.

    Thanks in advance!



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  2. Ted Chandler
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    Did the camshaft move out at all? If it did, I am guessing that 1 or more of the hung up lifters are intruding and causing interference.
     
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  3. Fisher400
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    Fisher400

    Thanks, no it didn’t move a bit. I was able to pull each lifter in and out (some more than others obviously)which tells me none are making full contact on the cam when upside down. Just trying to be cautious here and not mess up something! Do the lifters absolutely need to be out to yank a cam?


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  4. Try turning it while you pull out... there's probably some varnish somewhere. And if the motor is upside down with the pan off, you can reach in with a long punch and push the lifters out at least part way. Remember, you're not saving the lifters, you'll need new ones with a new cam.

    You did pull the distributor, right?
     
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  5. Fisher400
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    Fisher400

    Ok, posts are more enjoyable with pics:[​IMG]


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  6. Fisher400
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    Ohh I am sure there is varnish on this thing. The cam is yellow with it lol. Will try that


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  7. Jmountainjr
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    Your lifters may be up off the cam lobe, but they need to clear the cam lobe nose as well as the cam bearing surface on the cam. Normal practice would be to remove them before the cam.
     
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  8. Have you measured the bore? It looks like a 221 to me....

    The 260 is 3.8", the 221 is 3.5".
     
  9. Fisher400
    Joined: Jan 27, 2020
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    Fisher400

    Turns fine but still doesn’t want to pull out. I cringe to ask if the back cam plug can be tapped in will that bump the cam free. Don’t want to mess up any bearings of course.... just a suggestion. Or just keep roaring and pulling on the timing gear?


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  10. studebaker46
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    here is a trick an old ford mech taught me back in 70s on the very same engine. get a can or 2 of zeps pentatrating oil and a good magnet spray the lifters good and use the magnet to bounce the lifters up and down and then spray the cam bearings really good if you can turn it by hand you should be able to remove it. Tom
     
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  11. Fisher400
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    Yea, good question. I verified the block numbers it is a really early 62 260 with only 4 plugs on the block. It’s the original engine in my 63 Sprint.


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  12. Fisher400
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    No issues with the penetrating oil and the rest of the pistons etc? Not tearing the rest down so just don’t want other chemicals that don’t mix well with engine oil. It’s a good idea and will try it if the oil isn’t an issue!


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  13. Ebbsspeed
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    Penetrating oil shouldn't be an issue. Roll the motor back upright on the stand after you get the cam and lifters out and it will all drain out anyway. Once you get the new cam and lifters in you'll do a cam break in, and shortly thereafter do an oil change so any residual penetrating oil will be flushed out.
     
  14. Fisher400
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    Ok, that makes sense and I was planning to change after the break in so that’s good.


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  15. coilover
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    What takes off varnish? Lacquer thinner! Dribble thinner around each lifter and slowly work up and down. It might take fifty or more cycles but once varnish is dissolved the lifter will lift right out.
     
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  16. 4wd1936
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    Bolt the gear back on with a couple of pry bars behind the gear and gently work them back and forth. Also gentle persuasion with a slide hammer will often work.
     
  17. RmK57
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    Rotate the engine enough so you can grab on to a lifter with visegrips and wiggle them loose. Unless your saving them of coarse.
     
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  18. 41rodderz
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    I know , I know some will throw apples at me but I would throw new cam bearings in as well. No better time. Also check your rocker arms and pushrods for wear.
     
  19. Was this a running driving motor? Why are you taking it apart? Did it burn oil or what?

    I hesitate to say this, but if the lifters won't come out because of varnish build up, I'd be pulling everything out to clean and or replace. It might need rings, rod, main and cam bearings too.
    Tell us the rest of the story. o_O
     
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  20. lippy
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    I never had a sbf. Does it have a retainer plate? lol. Lippy
     
  21. George
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    If that photo is current the cam plate is still on!
     
  22. oldiron 440
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    They have only been in the block for 58 years, what were you expecting.?
     
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  23. Jokester
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    Did you remove the fuel pump? I'm not a Ford guy, but some engines run the fuel pump arm right on the cam.

    .bjb
     
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  24. Fisher400
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    No juicy back story on the engine. Has 55k on it org miles. Was fixed up with a new timing chain and seals back in the 80’s. Original carb intake fuel pump etc. my plan is to keep it original down to sprint stickers on the valve covers. Pulled it to repaint the engine compartment, new clutch, T5 trans, repaint the block etc you know “ while I am in there stuff”. The engine ran fine just needed a valve job and a good cleaning. The heads are at a engine shop right now having that done.



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  25. Fisher400
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    It’s off, the gear is on to give a handle to pull and rotate


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  26. Fisher400
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    Will certainly check them out, can you put new bearings in without taking out the crank/ pistons?


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  27. Fisher400
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    Yup, that comes off with the timing cover


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  28. Mr T body
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    Lifters need to come out. Just because it's off the heel of IT'S lobe doesn't mean it's clear the lobe BEHIND it.
     
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  29. Remove the lifters, your going to replace them anyway. HRP
     
  30. Fisher400
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    I have a very strong magnetic, thinner, acetone and zep. I see if I can bounce them or vice grip them and yank the lifters...thanks for the advice!


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