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Traditional vs. Ego Stroke

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by **DONOTDELETE**, Sep 6, 2004.

  1. It's super hot today in So. Cal.- like 100 at the beach where it's ALWAYS 78-degrees and it got me thinking why do people build these REALLY expensive one-off cars (the same guys that scoff at "those old cars that need a tow truck following them") and to me it just boils down to insecurity and little... well, egos.
    I think traditional is about being secure that you don't need to impress anyone, you don't need a bunch of trophies and you don't need to sit by your car all day at a show waiting to see people's response and if your car has been properly judged.
    During my time with the GG organization I was often pulled aside by irritated and sometimes irrate patrons that were totally pissed that there car was not given and an award and was never properly "judged". They took no comfort in the fact that there is no judging at a GG event and cars are loosely picked because someone thought it was cool. They would blast that they had taken home an award from every local mall show and they would never be coming back to a GG event if they weren't taking home an award. Without even asking it could be easily figured out that this was their first season after making their big purchase and was probably going to be their last. I could write a book about one couple I met and their rise and fall on the GOLD CHAIN roller coaster. I met the husband when he was showing a restored vehicle and was very hot wanting to know how he could get his car looked at. I explained we didn't inspect every vehicle and he was perplexed. My mistake was having a couple guys come over and look at the car that was actually very nice and he proudly flaunted that he paid for the best car in exhistence, along with a lot of other BS that the car was not "restored" because all the paint and interior products used in the rebuild were NOS, so technically it was "unrestored"- yeah right. Well he asked my advice on buying one of them "street rods" and I told him a couple of the cars he was interested in were not good investments. Next time I see him he shows me the car he bought for 250K and proceeds to tell me of the additional 250K spent freshening up the 5 year old car- WOW! I'm impressed!
    They next get a big trophy at one of the GG events and they are on cloud nine! They next travel to another GG event and make a point of standing with Boyd at the entrance of Boyd's Pro's Pick area to size up the competition. After Boyd's "Sweet 16" were announced they were very insulted that their car that had just won a major GG title in the same month now did not get a Pro's Pick. They took their complaint directly to the event director and informed him, "If this is how you guys work we will no longer be attending your events!" They were given a sympathy award and continued to be pissed for the remainder of the event. Soon after that I left Goodguys so I'm not sure if they made good on their threat or not.
    But that is just one example that I have stayed clear of naming any names and I would appreciate if anyone else knows who I'm talking about just to sit on that info. But this actually happed all the time with just about the exact same story.
    Funny thing is I NEVER had this happen only to find out it was the guy in the homebuilt primered Model A pitching a bitch. Something to think about and exactly why I'm traditional for life. [​IMG]

    What I really meant to get to before that description got out of hand is that I don't see or feel any connection between the car and the people pimping them in their custom embroidered shirts and chairs with the car's name on them (yes, as Jimmy Shine said the STUPID NAMES!). All I see when I see these big buck boats is a feeding line with a bunch of people in it that equally don't really care about the car as much as the pay check it represents. Now the guy with the cut up fingers and engine enamel overspray on his glasses to me cares A TON more about his car than the guy that just dropped half a million dollars on his cast of hand picked experts. More power to them and I am in no way jealous, I just prefer to see cars built with heart, not dollar signs. And growing up I have seen some BEAUTIFUL (and not so beautiful cars) built with heart and that just makes the big buck cars look even more plastic.
    That's what made me think at the stoplight today, "Who would spend 350K building a "ONE OFF" car that to most onlookers looks like any another "Coast to Coast" or "Boydster", only with a custom grille?" Hell, I don't know- and if I met them I probably wouldn't have anything in common with them.

    Sorry, the heat made me do it!
  2. Good story Jim.

    BTW Kirk! said those people were creepy [​IMG]
  3. Broman
    Joined: Jan 31, 2002
    Posts: 1,485

    from The Island

    So how long have you been waiting to get that off your chest? [​IMG]
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    So how long have you been waiting to get that off your chest? [​IMG]

    [/ QUOTE ]

    TOO LONG! [​IMG]

  5. hatch
    Joined: Nov 20, 2001
    Posts: 3,667

    from house

    The people who need to buy a trophy are just fish outta water. They were the guys in highschool that looked down on us "car guys"...they were jocks or something else that made them feel superior. Now they want to be one of the chance with me... I didn't like them "then" and don't like them "now"....The biggest joy I get from receiving an unexpected trophy or "pick" is knowing that some rich fuck self centered ego maniac and his bleach blond "bolt-on" equipped wife may just go home empty handed....and maybe sell their junk and never return.

    I get to pick cars at my favorite show in Frankenmuth this coming weekend....The award is a beautiful authentic German Stein and a truly nice thing to have given to you.....The club lets me have free rein and NEVER question what I pick...and keep asking me each year to do it again. I have definitely pissed off a few "chainers"...but have also picked a couple of their cars if they light my fire.....but the whole trophy thing is taken too seriously. It's supposed to be FUN!!!! [​IMG]

    I do see some of the elitism now in the "rat rod" group and it's sad....they are just a bunch of "rusty chainers"...same thing(egotists)...only different....oh goes on!
  6. Foul
    Joined: Mar 25, 2002
    Posts: 643


    People get funny with their cars. We're quickly learning not to do hand out any awards until near the end of the event, otherwise people leave early, pissed that they didn't get a $6 plastic trophy.

    One pair drove to one of our cruise-ins with what looked like an everyday '78 F250 4x4. Beat-up brown paint, 30" wheels, ripped seat, rust pinholing through the bed. Then they come up to me during judging and ask if they've been picked for People's Choice. Then they seemed about ready to cry when the gorgeous restored Airflow got picked over them.

    I'm sure they cared a lot for that truck, just like any one of us cares for our own rides, but c'mon. Do some people really need to seek validation through what is, essentially, a compliment?

    Anyway, I understand, man.
  7. tommy
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
    Posts: 14,757

    Member Emeritus

    This is not a new phenomonom. It's been going on ever since the first trophy was awarded. Only the number of digits on the checks have changed. Best of show was replaced long ago for our club with peoples choice and the ladies choice of the "cutest car".

    I got a top 35 trophy once. There were 27 cars there. [​IMG]
  8. I want the Gary Greedy award pick me me me !!!! LOL that is funny
  9. Years ago I was asked to judge at a local car show put on by the "street machine" guys. I accepted reluctantly. One of the awards was for "Best Engineered". After looking at 50 or so cars I determined that there wasn't much real engineering in any of them. I had one of my circle track cars on display there and it had more engineering in it than the rest combined. I couldn't give the award to myself so I gave it to a home-built T-bucket that had an independent front suspension fabricated by the owner. It wasn't designed all that well but it was chrome-plated... [​IMG]

    They had a class for four wheel drive vehicles. Two entries. There was a crusty old WWII Jeep with a Chevy engine in it. It was half paint and half primer. It had oilcloth covering some junkyard bucket seats and a roll bar bent out of water pipe....unpainted. There was a brand new Jeep with all the factory gizmos that American Motors offered at the time....factory chrome everywhere ! The trophy went to the old Jeep based on the amount of modifications (regardless of how crude). The fancy new one was stock as a clock. Needless to say, the owner of the new model went ballistic and I had judged my last car show.... [​IMG]
  10. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 34,675


    Joke em if they cant take a fuck! [​IMG]
  11. Petejoe
    Joined: Nov 27, 2002
    Posts: 10,996

    from Zoar, Ohio

    I wish awards were never given at any car show regardless of how big or small the show is. I would rather have a guy come up to me and tell me how well I did on a car rather than get his vote and never know he appreciated it.
    Its alot more fun talking cars than setting around waiting for the next trophy or getting upset someone received one and another one didn't. nough said....
  12. WildWilly68
    Joined: Feb 1, 2002
    Posts: 1,724


    These types of stories are why I do not go to car "shows". I prefer cruises where people do a lot of bench racing and stuff. I have a neighbor who has a very worn slightly modified old Dart that he takes to every small town show for miles around. He has a pile of plastic and marble all around his garage. He kept after me to show my old (restored) 67 Tempest for years. Finally I showed it at a show he always placed in and I knocked him out of receiving an award...funny, but he never asked me again, and I never showed a car again where they hand out trophies.

  13. WOO-HOO is this one gonna be a can of worms! [​IMG]
    When I attend car shows,I either don't enter my car or put a,"do not judge" sign on it that I got at a car show a long time ago.
    I do this for a couple of reasons:eek:ne,I don't consider my car as being show worthy.The paint is 20 plus years old and dulled,rust is coming through the doors and rockers,I've inadvertantly added a few dents to it in the time I've had it,and it is usually taken to the,"environmental car wash"(a good rain storm).It is my daily driver and I enjoy it.The only reason I take it is to give customers some ideas for their striping.
    I have also judged a number of shows.Today there are so many entrants and so few judges it would be nigh impossible to take the time to really check out a car properly.
    The last shows I've judged I was asked by the guy putting on the show to pick a car that,in his words,"tripped my trigger".He has 6 awards that he gives out at the show and each one is based on the individual judge's likes.I think the show succeeds very well.I have yet to hear any complaints about the judging and there are a fair number of,"gold chainer"cars at this show.
    One year my choice was narrowed to 5 cars:4 old school style rods and a 53 Olds semi custom.It was a tough decision as all of these cars were period correct(as were their owners for the most part) [​IMG]and I wound up choosing the Olds.It reminded me of a car I used to drool over when I was in high school(I graduated in 1961)and so I chose it.And it WAS beautiful!
    Well that's my take for what it's worth.I truly wish most car shows weren't "dick-wavin'"contests but unfortunately they usually are.
  14. Fat Hack
    Joined: Nov 30, 2002
    Posts: 7,709

    Fat Hack
    from Detroit

    I wanna win the fucking "Lenny & Squiggy Award"...beyond that, I don't give a shit! [​IMG]

  15. Grumpy
    Joined: Jan 28, 2003
    Posts: 2,569

    from NE Ohio

    I won a Custom Rodder Top10 at GG's Columbus 2 years ago. I thought my buddies were fucking with me and printed the stuff up on there PC's.

    Come to find out that our own RF liked my chebby enough to honor it with an award.

    I was shocked beyond belief that my primered car "deserved" an award where there were so many "perfect" cars in attendance.
    He said it just did something to him. That meant alot to me.
    I never expected nor cared if I ever won anything, much less a award at a major show.

    BUT..As my wife and I sat with the car for periods of time in the winners arena, none and I mean none of the other Top10 winners and their pit crews would speak to us.
    They acted pissed that a primered chevy won what they won.

    So we never cleaned the car, or the whitewalls, and sat there with our feet up on the rear bumper smiling away.

    Anyway, I just meant to say that I don't go looking for a pat on the back, but being picked by RF was very cool.

    heres a pic of the car(gone now)
    On with the tread!
  16. yorgatron
    Joined: Jan 25, 2002
    Posts: 4,228

    Member Emeritus

    me and my brother took a $600.00 '54 Hudson rust bucket to a show held at a drive-in movie,we had a blast wandering around talking about cars and meeting everybody,then we turned in our "people's choice" ballots and tried to figure who would win our surprise we got called over the intercom,so we went over to where they hand out the awards. what the hell did we win? [​IMG] "car that needs the most help award"! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
  17. Nothing new there Jim thats for sure... when i was doing the local Bay area Car show scene as a Disc Jockey..I met em all man..the Ego on these guys used to blow me away..were talking grown adults here that were acting like a couple of spoiled yuppies in high school bragging over who had the better Sports car...PUKE!!!!! I almost got my ass kicked once by a guy because I couldnt stand his arrogant patronizing..he got offended when I explained to him what Hot Rodding was about and how it should be,and that I would rather look at that primered Jalopy with the 49 Merc in it than that Pile of blister packed kit car with the hidious oversized billet wheels on it junk..well....turned out to be his car!!Can you say Foot in mouth?! Yeah, he was pissed and I apologized but with no luck after we exchanged a few unpleasant words,he got carried away,I called for security and had him removed and never seen him again!! hahaha..Oh well.. [​IMG] I got a round of applause,,apparently no one liked him much.......
  18. JimC
    Joined: Dec 13, 2002
    Posts: 2,239

    from W.C.,Mo.

    From a guy who won his share of trophies with an ol beater 62 impala, The high from most of the wins is short lived, then you got to come back to earth.

    I hauled most of em away a couple of months back, just kept the one Given to me by CarCraft editors at the last Summer Cruise held at Sedalia,Mo in 96, and the one given to me by Jerry Weezner at GG Demoines 98, and the Jomesboro,Ark in 2002. It is unique, as it is a curved, cut glass. Not too many of them around. Ask Bib Overalls about them.

    I think that Car guys are STUPID.
    A lot of money, blood, sweat, and tears are spent on putting one of our creations together, we take it to a car show, many with no admission for spectators, pay all the money for entry fees, and related expenses(food,motels,t shirts,etc.,etc,) so the average John Doe can finger print them.
    Go Figure!

    We should ban together and refuse to go to any show that the promoter does not pay our way in.
    He makes the money, but would not get any spectators or gate reiepts if there were no cars entered.
    Count the cars at large events, think about the entry fee(getting larger each year) and count the gate reciepts(spectators).Looks like money is being made, dont it?
  19. true...but figure the cost to run such a show also..Its not cheap..the space,entertainment,if any,,trophies,plaques,goodie bags,staff,cost of advertising etc etc..Just ask Kirk who runs the Billetproof show,I'm sure he'll tell ya it aint cheap!
  20. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 34,675


    I agree with JimC, why WOULD I pay to park my car so others can make money. I can park outside and have just as many lookie loos fondle it! The promoters should pay us! This is all tounge in cheek mind you. But it raises a point.
  21. DrJ
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
    Posts: 9,418


    Just tell the loser/whiners they must not have bribed the right judges the right amount of green, and walk away...
    and if they go for their wallet tell them it's too late now [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
  22. FRITZ
    Joined: Sep 6, 2001
    Posts: 1,209


    I put my Choppers & Cars in shows all the time. To be honest Im more into a root beer and a hot dog chatting with other show entries then winning something. I may go to the Philly bike show with my Panhead, But I'll be outside looking for a cheese steak sub guy more then likely. But thats just me
  23. KIRK!
    Joined: Feb 20, 2002
    Posts: 12,031


    [ QUOTE ]
    true...but figure the cost to run such a show also..Its not cheap..the space,entertainment,if any,,trophies,plaques,goodie bags,staff,cost of advertising etc etc..Just ask Kirk who runs the Billetproof show,I'm sure he'll tell ya it aint cheap!

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    Ain't easy, ain't cheap and ain't fun for me. But I dig that people have a good time. That's why the haters get to me so easily. Bitching without any clue about the work or sacrifice.
  24. Deuce Roadster
    Joined: Sep 8, 2002
    Posts: 9,519

    Deuce Roadster
    Member Emeritus


    Some years ago........A-Bomb and I ran the largest 1 day show in the state of South Carolina...........350 to 450 cars on a regular basis. We rented the state fairgrounds.

    It cost a lot of money to produce..........but it made a lot of money too...... [​IMG]

    The cryers and whiners were there too. They are no concept of why they did not WIN........ [​IMG] we donated the money to charity.........who cares who won? The Childrens Home WON.

    I go to events because I want to........look at the cars and shoot the breeze with folks I know........sometimes meet folks I get to know.

    I have " WON " at GG, NSRA and others.........must be the car because I am NOT a politican..........Jim A says I am downright Grumpy. [​IMG] [​IMG] It's nice to recieve a award but it's just as nice or better to see someone else win who really deserves it.........working on their stuff, sweating and saving........doing side jobs to pay for the parts and labor that has to be farmed out (chrome....nobody doe their own..........real good paint.....ect)

    I like the old stuff.........not 22 inch wheels and some fiberglass creation that anybody with a checkbook can buy. 1 off (Roth type) homebuilt stuff is the exception........that true creative kind of stuff.

    Everyone has a EGO..........some just have a problem EGO......... [​IMG]

  25. [ QUOTE ]
    I agree with JimC, why WOULD I pay to park my car so others can make money. I can park outside and have just as many lookie loos fondle it! The promoters should pay us! This is all tounge in cheek mind you. But it raises a point.

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    I brought this up once and it got me into a big fight with JimA, a guy who would otherwise probably be over at my house drinking beer. I was wrong. very wrong.

    Not soon after I made a point of thinking my shit was cool enough to mandate a cash prize for just showing up, I tried to help a friend book a wedding in the local park. Now, this is Santa Barbara and I know shit is way too expensive anyway, but if a wedding is 1,000 dollars, how much do you think it is to park hundreds of cars?

    I bet car shows are just like air shows and barely break even. I'm not talking about a one-time charity gig. If someone can make a living stressing out over how many people are going to show up or if they will make enough to pay their staff..... good for them.
  26. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 34,675


    Gooch, I got ya thinking. Notice my disclaimer [​IMG] But the fact is, many SMALL shows do not deserve our dollars. I am talking the little show we get in every small town that are put on by Jed Clampett. Many are NOT charity events. Many are just money making events for the promoter and his pals.

    But what the fuck does that mean, we build our cars for ourselves, not for the spectators.

    I would rather have 100 HAMBers come up and tell me they like my car than ONE award from some peoples choice at a big event.

    Fuck that, I dont even care about the HAMBers, I built my car in my vision, with my hands, with my budget.
  27. If you are going to charge for a show,you had better have a one hell of a show,Otherwise forgettaboutit there wont be another...Bottom line, people like something for nothing.
    On the subject of awards at your little mall show..The worst politics ever! Its Insanely hilarious! Its like soccer moms and little league baseball parents all wrapped into one!! That shit is so fixed... This is why for the most part,I dont go to shows much.Serious burn out factor applies.Been there done that,yada yada yada...Although with the comeback of the traditional rod,its alot more enjoyable.But then again..its kinda in Vogue which means "Oh your into those Rat Rod Rockabilly kinda cars,ok hmm thats cool though" exact quote from someone....
  28. JohnnyB327
    Joined: Jul 9, 2004
    Posts: 908


    [ QUOTE ]
    Nothing new there Jim thats for sure... when i was doing the local Bay area Car show scene as a Disc Jockey

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    were you playin that damn 80's music?
  29. Not at car shows Johnny...I played some of the rarest oldies anywhere,not your top 40 late 60's shit they play on so called oldies stations now...Kick ass Doo Wop by groups like the Shields,Penguins,The Orioles,the Cadillacs etc etc..Alot of Duane Eddy,Link Wray and your basic Hot Rod tunes of course...Don't even get me started with the oldies...Now when I played weddings and other gigs that was a different story.
  30. JohnnyB327
    Joined: Jul 9, 2004
    Posts: 908


    thank god! the oldies station i listen to has a deal where they play nothin but pre 63.


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