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Technical Tom Langdon Carter Webers Spring Tension

Discussion in 'Traditional Customs' started by Matt Davis, May 16, 2017.

  1. Matt Davis
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    The spring tensions on my Carter Webers are way too strong. Tom suggested to remove some Springs from the front of the carbs. Has anyone done this? If so, is it as easy as undoing this nut and removing the spring in this location?

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  2. RMONTY
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    I haven't installed mine yet but tend to agree....gonna take a lot of pressure on a pedal to rock those carbs open. Interested in the responses myself!
     
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  3. Torana68
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    Whats a "Weber Carter" ? looks like some sort of copy/repo carb? That looks like a throttle return spring, is that the problem , too hard? .... it will come off after you remove the nut. One carb or more?
    Edit 2 carbs on a Fenton manifold? cant find out much on the carbs though anyone know what they are out of interest?
     
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  4. Matt Davis
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    Yes, there is no way they will work....way to much tension.

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  5. Matt Davis
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    Quite a few people use these. Just way too much tension on these to get them to work together.

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  6. Torana68
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    I would think , with some fiddling you could find something that will be lighter but still make the butterfly's return to closed (idle) you would need a spring same id and od with thinner wire, you could try cutting 1/3 rd of the overall length of that spring off and bend the cut end so it still works but if your a bit of a numpty do not attempt it as I don't want to hear you went WOT through a shop front.....(Disclaimer; I don't know your skill level so don't get upset)
     
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  7. Matt Davis
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    Understand, but I was thinking that Tom said to just remove the whole spring as there is a spring on the opposite side of the carb that will still return the butterflies to a idle position.

    This seems to be a pretty common thing with these carbs so that's why I'm asking if anybody else has done this. I want to make sure that I understood him correctly. ;)

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  8. Torana68
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    if there are 2 springs per throttle shaft remove one and see how it goes.
     
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  9. Scott F.
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    I have two of these carbs on an offy intake on my '54 235. I removed one spring from each carb as Tom suggested. I had driven the car for a year with all of the springs in place and had gotten used to the very stiff pedal. My dad drove the car and mentioned it and so i pulled a spring from each and what a difference! Much more comfortable pedal pressure and the remaining springs close the carbs just fine.
    As to what they are for, I believe they were for a ford 4 cylinder engine in the 80's. Maybe an escort. I think there is a motorcraft part number for them that I found somewhere.
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  10. Matt Davis
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    Excellent, thanks for the information and what I was looking for. So you removed the complete spring that I am showing in my picture on the front of each carb?

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  11. Scott F.
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    No problem Matt. Yuo, removed the entire spring. The pair of removed springs are now zip tied together and hang on a peg just under my dash so that I always have them in case I need them but for over a year it has been good. A word of caution, after about a year and a half of running these carbs my cars performance went to hell. Chased it for over a month. Finally removed carb tops and looked in the bowl and found metal turnings from a drill stuck in the bowl outlet. They had been hung up in a high spot in the bowl and finally got flushed out of their little hiding spot into the bowl outlet. I think a hole is drilled into these tops for use in our application and the drill shavings never got removed from the bowl following that operation. I never ran the vehicle without the stainless fuel filter recommended by Langdon either. Not that these pieces could have ever made it through a fuel pump or lines.
     

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  12. Matt Davis
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    Wow, great information and will definitely look at that!! Thanks for all your help. Can't wait to get this thing started. ;)

    I will now consider this thread closed on my side. Thanks everyone!

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  13. Do you have a shot of how the throttle cables or linkages attach to the carbs? I'm wondering if somehow things are trying to move against some sort of "mechanical disadvantage". :confused:
     

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