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Technical Tire Fitment & a '32 Sedan

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by tjm73, Feb 25, 2024.

  1. tjm73
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    I don't as looking at my '32 Sedan today and thinking about the wheels and tires change I want to do this spring.

    My car is full fendered and will stay that way it's also currently on the stock suspension. I think I want to run 275/60R15 tires on 8" wheels, but I am not sure they will fit under the stock fenders.

    I've seen full fender cars with this size tore but I don't know if they were modified to fit the tires.

    Has anyone run this size on a '32 and if so what was your experience?
     
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    28 inches tall, 10.8 inches wide. Screenshot (937).png
     
  4. lake_harley
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    I don't have a '32, I have a Model A Tudor and if memory serves I can only handle about 9" overall width measuring at the sidewall "bulge" to keep everything tucked under the fenders. I don't know,if that's even close to the space available on a '32.

    In my case, providing if I don't sell the car to buy a different project car that's calling me, I plan to run the 17", '33-'34 wires that were on the car when I bought it. I'm having a bit of digestive problem with the price of nicely sized 17" tires, but I'm a self-confessed tightwad.

    Lynn
     
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  5. tjm73
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    I like the auburn bias look radials a lot, but I can't swallow the cost for them.
     
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  6. I assume you're talking about the rear?
     
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  8. alchemy
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    28 inches is way too short, and 10 inches is way too wide. Even worse with fenders to accentuate those steam rollers.

    My full fendered 32 Tudor has tires about 31 inches tall, and probably 7 inches wide at the fattest part of the bulge. Any more and it will stick out of the fender cause there isn’t more room in the wheelwell.
     
  9. tjm73
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    Thanks Alchemy. 7" wide and probably 4" of tread. HAHA.! Anyway sounds like I'm limited to some 235 or narrower section widths.
     
  10. 235/85 2017 5 winder Dr Pepper 003.jpg /16 on a 16 x 7 wheel here
     
  11. tjm73
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    Nice! What's the front tire size?
     
  12. 145 sr 15 on a 15 x 5 wheel
     
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  13. alchemy
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    I've had a variety of wheels/tires on it, but I gravitate to the vintage taller look rather than the fatter radials like da34guy likes.

    Those 8" Halibrands were probably the widest wheel that could fit and not rub the inside, but as you can see they stuck out a bit too much. I still have a burn mark on the edge of the fender paint.
     
  14. tjm73
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    Those 8" Halibrands stick out so much it looks like 6" wheels may not fit
     
  15. RockyMtnWay
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    This set up is a 235/75r15 tire on an 8” halibrand.

    IMG_6358.jpeg IMG_6359.jpeg
     
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  16. 19Eddy30
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    8 inch is kind of max , not having out side thread pass fender bead ,
    also depends on off set ,
    255/75/15 is 29-30 tall depends on the tire manufacturer
    These are 7 wide wheels with "1"" inch back spaceing
    Rear are ETs to give a deep look,just showing what back spacing can look like ,,
    IMG_1317.png IMG_1318.png
     
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  17. RockyMtnWay
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    Just looked at a pic of your car. My two cents (based on ‘stockness’ and 65 hp) is to pop for diamondback auburns. Much more than everyday radials, but it’s not like you are going to melt them off doing burnouts. :p
    I’d go 15x5 fronts and 15x7 rears, or if you prefer the 16s, I’d go 16x4.5 front and 16x6 rears.
    Any modern radials will just look wrong.

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  18. DDDenny
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    Am I correct in remembering it was Eric Vaughn that started narrowing 10 inch wide Halibrand Sprints to fit where only an 8 inch wheel would be considered the widest on the rear of full fendered cars.
    I thought Real Rodders Wheels offered this wheel as cast but couldn't find it listed.
    I think it was the look of the deeper front side of the 10 inch wheel that made this modification so popular, of course it had to be paired with the right width rearend and this is where people balked because custom wheel mods and rearend narrowing wasn't in the budget of the average guy.


     
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  19. tjm73
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    I was totally on board with a set of Auburn bias look radials, but the cost is more than I am willing to spend when I am also buying wheels.

    My thought is buy the wheels I like and cheaper radials (it just about halves the total price). Rhen a few years down the road if I really want the Auburn tires I can step up at that point.

    I can't justify over a grand for four tires just for the look if them. Not when I am also spending another thousand+ dollars on wheels and accessories for them.

    My current plan is to buy a set of wheel smith original style steel wheels in 15x5 and 16x6 and put 165/80R15's and 205/75R16's on them. I'd also get their hub cap adapters so I can retain the small V8 caps already on the car.

    But I don't know. Maybe I'll look at the Auburn tires again.
     
  20. dirt car
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    A matter of opinion but the rear looks best to me when a tire follows the contour of the rear fender reveal & not tucked up inside or with a gap, the 235/75/15 worked for me in that regard, but it's all in what fit & form your seeking. Wanting aggressive? size them up, tuck em in, hang em out, do your own thing!
     
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  21. tjm73
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    I want to get the tire diameters sorted and installed and then I can assess how much/if lowering will be needed.
     
  22. RockyMtnWay
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    Eric is still narrowing wheels. He did a set for me this past summer.
    Don’t have a ton of miles on em yet, but welds look great and are holding air (like there’s a doubt with his work. Ha).
    And he’s a great guy with tons of stories/knowledge.
     
  23. 19Eddy30
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    Just wanting to show some pics of same cars with different wheels & off sets ,
    Most do not have several diffrent setting around ,
    The more flatter American Racing 5
    where 7 wide with 255/75/15
    25/75 back spacing with 2 inch spacer ,
    The polished 5 spoke are ET , 7 wide with "" 1 "" inch back spacing No spacer
    with same tire 255/75/15 ,

    The ugly Easter egg was the way It came , 15 inch wheels on 26 tall on stock height 32 suspension, front axle & 32 rear ,
    With in a week I added 4 inch drop front
    Rear stock added 16 wheels & tires
    Front where 4-1/2 wide rear 6 or 7s .
    I have No pics with the original 32 spokes wheels
    IMG_1326.png IMG_1329.png IMG_1328.png IMG_1327.png IMG_1323.png IMG_1324.png
     
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  24. clem
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    Maybe look at the backspacing of different rims to achieve what you want…….
     
  25. tjm73
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    As soon as it warms up a bit and I have an afternoon free, I'm going to measure what I have and from there I can figure out what back space I actually need.

    Between now and then I was hoping to get others experiences to factor into things.
     
  26. tjm73
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    I like this look.

    IMG_1324.jpg
     
  27. ekimneirbo
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    I think one problem with starting with a rear end that already has an established length is that different brands of tires and different brands of wheels may quote identical or very similar specs.........but when assembled and installed they don't always give the exact same result. You might want to plan on making the tire to fender a little wider than what you want the finished set up to be. You can always add some shims to bring the tire out slightly, but you can't adjust the other way. Best way (IMHO) is starting with the tires and wheels that someone wants and putting them in place..........and then making the rear end the right length.

    2017 5 winder Dr Pepper 003.jpg
    I like the rear tires on this, but to me.....I'd go a little larger in front. I saw something the other day where someone had similar white/cream colored wheels rather than the normal red/black wheels. They put trim rings on them and the cream color between the ring and the tire looked really nice.
     
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  28. tjm73
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    One of the measurements I want to collect when I can get some time in my barn is the actual axle width in the car. There are many factors in play and I need more information to make my purchases.

    Wheels and tires are the foundation of a car. They can make or break the car. They have to be right.
     
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  29. ekimneirbo
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    Exactly. I remember a while back a fellow had built a nice car but when he put everything together his rear tires were a 1/2" too wide, and due to the planned close fit......it didn't fit. Thats why I think you are much better off putting the actual tires and wheels you will use in place under the fenders and making the rear end fit if modification is needed. Its those little miscalculations that often cause issues. Many rears can be narrowed slightly by cutting the existing axles without resplining. Aftermarket axles often have longer splines so the builder can cut the axles more if needed.
     
  30. alchemy
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    Hey Tjm, does your sedan have the stock rearend? With stock mechanical brakes?

    All the pics I posted above of my sedan have a stock 32 rearend with 40 brakes on it.
     
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