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  1. Tim
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    @Six Ball buddy has a 394/ lesale in his 27 t and I noticed one day that it looked to have a column shift and a floor shift.

    when I asked he said after a while the pedal position hurts his leg so he made a column mounted hand throttle for cruising the highway
     
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  2. Six Ball
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    If I can use the stock steering column and box on my roadster I'd like to try to use the levers for the spark and throttle for a throttle and choke.
     
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  3. Tim
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    The masters mocked in place I moved to fabricating a mount for the filter side of the air cleaner so I can build the cross over DF9E6A01-573F-46DA-9382-E7E32085BE53.jpeg used 3/8 steel round stock and a torch after making a rough template of out of a metal coat hanger D75F8A80-F50D-4B51-B8C5-E225834705A1.jpeg B0220962-A1FB-4578-862D-385BE44F4487.jpeg 5E331E13-8FC2-4483-A512-8B02D8B028C0.jpeg a little mocking up and I’m getting a feel for where it wants to go. It may land a little further back or I may run a slightly shorter air cleaner element and mount the base higher. I’m just barely touching the plug wire for the forward most cylinder and I don’t want to worry about it arching or making it hard to check a boot with out removing something to get in there.

    more sit and look, move it around and try again then anything. Can up with a pretty simple way to make everything I think.
     
  4. Tim
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    While I contemplated clearance and how I want to route plug wires I put the lid on my thigh and started tapping the creases out and quite as I could manage. 019968F7-BAC3-4A88-B1D7-2B96FC6C2120.jpeg best I can gather they are all from other kids being piled up on it at some point CF08A617-31F5-473D-910D-DB06D0E90BC2.jpeg wet sanded it a little. It moves almost a little to easy but my high spots are very very short and I think when I can make a little noise that the correct dolly and a hammer from the top side should get me close enough in short order 0F2222B0-5FDA-4F71-B7C9-80E1C0E40907.jpeg the creases moved easy enough but I didn’t have a round hammer head handy so the majority of my high spots are from the hammer heads corners.

    waaaaay easier to hit the top and work them back down than trying to work this from the bottom any further so I’m fine with it. Thinking I’ll polish it up and paint the top that I’m making from a 53 Ford housing black. Because why not
     
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    A 4lb sledge with a polished face makes a great dolly for stuff like that. You can clamp it in a vise and use your flat hammer on the top.
     
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  6. Tim
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    Hadn’t thought of sticking it in a vice that’s clever! I’ve been meaning to go hammer shopping any how...
     
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    Well, filed the round stock flat, center punched and drilled the hole for the bottom half to attach. Went surprisingly well

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    Mocked it up quick. With it as it sits the top of the filter housing is level with the top of the valve cover and looks like enough clearance for spark plug wires. Once I get this cemented I can build the cross over. 6403D667-CBAC-4DFE-BF3D-5375A453EB57.jpeg 12B90E40-B8B1-44BF-9CA7-1EEA4952FA18.jpeg 192CFECD-715C-4E63-9383-CEEC547A3F49.jpeg 999E7DAC-7089-4110-B450-F4503E3E6EDE.jpeg D6E88795-DB20-405B-AE06-38F6526464FB.jpeg
     
  9. redzula
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    I love this so much. Used to work at a bus shop that also installed wheel chair lifts and hand controls in cars. Use to love seeing the mechanical linkage work in those. Doing one with OE parts is even cooler
    -Adam

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  10. Mr Last Minute
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    Awesome build, love the pinstripes on the vice!
     
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  11. Tim
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    thanks!

    my friend Neko did the pinstripes around the shop ( vice, breaker box, cabinets ) around 6 years ago if I was gonna guess. They’ve been wearing in perfectly. The vice is probably my favorite, reminds me of when someone finds some old Von Dutch still hanging in there in a fender or some thing.

    https://nekolynnstudios.com/
     
  12. Six Ball
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    I was checking out the vise too. When my son was teaching himself to pinstripe no surface around here was safe. He got pretty good. This is on our friend's '54 Merc.
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    One of my friends lost his right hand and all but his index finger of his left hand in an electrical accident. They put one of his big toes on his left hand for a thumb so he could pinch stuff. He bitched because he said it made him walk funny. He rode an old Harley servacar trike for a while until he converted a Sportster so he could ride it. The hook on his right stump was pretty much locked in. o_O Throttle on the left, suicide clutch.... Nevada DMV would not give him a motorcycle license. He rode it anyway. One of the toughest guys I ever knew. I saw him knock out 2 guys with "Mr. Stumpy" one time he had a special cup he'd made with a pound or so of lead shot in it. :eek: I had to put new wipers on his pickup. I helped him haul a load of stolen railroad ties once because he couldn't load them alone but he built a retaining wall out of them by himself! :cool:
     
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  13. Tim
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    LOL that’s great.

    Little light reading today. The nova weights more than the A, the Ford trans has a better gear spread, and this motor should have nearly 50% more power but all the info should be worth while and relevant otherwise. 001E093D-4E8A-4F80-B5EA-0EB163F73D97.jpeg
     
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    I'm going to learn to read someday. Then I'll have handy information too. :)
     
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    That's the reason my books are
    like new...:eek:
     
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    I notice the light reading was done right beside the Know How Paint...:D

     
  17. Six Ball
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    It really is fun to find these old articles and see how things were viewed in the day. A good friend in high school got a Chevy II with a 283. After moving from a '29 pickup with a banger to a '56 Chevy with a 235 with 283 was just too much for him and he wrecked it. None of us would have even considered the little Chevy 153 and they didn't get enough attention back then.
     
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    Yeah there’s very little hot rod aftermarket stuff one for them that isn’t contemporary or stuff borrowed from the 6. But there is quite a bit of midget dirt track race car stuff for them.
    Works for me ;)
     
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    F8CF2A45-EC73-4BEF-8444-8B73517798A5.jpeg Got a little creative and ended up with this. Tired of trying to mock up the master with clamps and big ass magnets we welded a stud in the bore. Stuck a body/fender type washer on the back side with a nut and it’s staying put. 76236241-501D-4EC6-84AB-FC75566A2DDC.jpeg

    This will also make it very easy to use a centering punch to mark where I need to drill the 3 mounting holes. The firewall I’ll drill on the car but the brace/ plate behind it I’ll do in the drill press the next time I take it apart 9F67C193-781D-460B-ABF9-6C8ACBC5DCE1.jpeg
     
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  20. I know I’m late to the party on this.. oh well. My grandpa lost his leg when he laid down his Harley in 1948, so he had a wooden right leg. Usually in an automatic he drives with the left leg. He got a great deal on a car hauler he couldn’t pass up, but it was a 4 speed. So grandpa took an old hood release cable, taped it around the floor shifter and ran the other end to the carb. He positioned the T handle of the hood release so when he could palm the shifter to change gears, and then give it throttle by pulling the cable with his index and middle fingers, while the good leg worked the clutch. It was amazing to watch. Once it was in high gear he used the good leg back on the floor throttle.


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  21. Tim
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    That’s awesome
     
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    Getting close to having the air cleaner a little closer. Hopefully some photos by this weekend.

    Trying to focus on getting the 46’ starter issue resolved and back in the road. I’m supposed to be working on it anyways but it’s so much easier to stay focused on it if I can drive it.
     
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    Playing with spark plug routing. The passenger side of the engine really needs cleaned up.
    91BF6794-DEC1-43E4-AD0F-FD9FCF57841D.jpeg The air cleaner will cover that bracket, the radiator and the heater hoses pretty good. I’ll also tuck and hide the oil filter lines.

    Moved the coil to under the dash and I’ll cut the dip stick down to damn near a stub since it’s easily accessible I do have a finned aluminum side plate for the motor as well.

    just thinking out loud while I’m trying to work on the 46’

    edit: that 180* turn in the back would be hidden behind the oil filter canister I just left it as this was more about sketching a route idea
     
  24. Wonder why go back towards the firewall and then back forwards rather than just one run back and drop each wire off on the way? Asking for a friend...lol
     
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    I need to play with different wire ends. Straight vs 90 deg etc.

    the furthest forward plug is so close to the distributor that a straight boot in the plug like it is now the wire reaches up high and arches back down to the distributor and if I can get that wire down I’ve got more room for the air cleaner that’s gonna kinda float right there.

    does that make since? Though your right if I can get the front plug wire to have a lower profile it is cleaner all coming from the front.

    kind of a mix of function, lack of visual clutter , and it just looking “right” which some times voids those first two haha
     
  26. Six Ball
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    These little guys have a lot going on in a small space. Mine will also have the starter up in there. I'm going to use an electric fuel pump since I had to cut the fuel pump lobe off of the cam to clear the #2 rod with the 181 crank. I'll make a plate for the pump mount hole that will have my oil filler and an old draft tube. The oil filter will be remote somewhere.
     
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  27. Tim
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    Yeah starter is under the bench, I didn’t realize that the 181 crank would need fuel pump mods. Always figured it was the same block with a bigger bore/ longer throw crank.

    I’m also going to mount a breather in the side plate. But I like your idea of the fuel pump spot. We’ve done pcv set ups using a plate over the fuel pump hole with a threaded hole for a fitting before
     
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    The rod on #2 barely clears the fuel pump lobe. The rod could have been slightly notched but because I'd already had everything balanced I chose the electric fuel pump route. The bore is smaller and it probably wouldn't go out to the 181's 4". I'll adapt this '31 Chevy breather to a plate on the fuel pump hole
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  29. Tim
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    Did you use 153 or 181 rods?

    I like your breather plan
     
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  30. Tim
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    Random thought while looking at these dark photos.

    I’m planing to paint the fire wall black and the bottom/ back of the hood black as well but now I’m thinking a white on the bottom/ back of the hood would sure brighten things up to see what’s going on.

    I think it would clash if I had the firewall black which I’m partially set on but now that I’ve thought of it I don’t know that I’ve ever seen it done on a pre 35 Ford?
     
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