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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by badshifter, May 14, 2012.

  1. bigalturk1
    Joined: Sep 23, 2010
    Posts: 367


    Remember...Not all butchers work
    at the
  2. Mjrdude
    Joined: Feb 17, 2012
    Posts: 19


    If it was mine it would get stripped and redone from the ground up. Wow!
  3. 50flathead
    Joined: Mar 8, 2005
    Posts: 1,106

    from Iowa, USA

    Just like real estate, paints worth $10.00 in the bucket and $1000.00 on the wall.
  4. Gropos01
    Joined: May 7, 2012
    Posts: 20


    I believe he owned turkeys cause that is most definitely turkey s@#t on that there frame
  5. guthriesmith
    Joined: Aug 17, 2006
    Posts: 5,683

    1. H.A.M.B. Chapel

    That is about as scary looking as I have seen! I guess I have a hard time understanding how someone could have done any of that and not seen the problems coming.
  6. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Posts: 30,049


    I thought I saw some rough stuff when I hung around with guys who raced at Heart O Texas Speedway in the early 70's. That frame matches or beats their work.

    The square tubing welded inside the frame to "strengthen" the frame and other indicators show 60's early 70's dirt track stock car technology. At least Central Texas style when you rolled over a Tri-5 Chevy to get the frame for your new race car.

    From the looks of it I'd guess that the "builder" is one of those who still argues that you will never get the body realigned if you pull it off the frame to do the frame. We used to have a lot of guys who argued that one in the mid 70's.

    What gets me most though is the guys who actually can't see what's wrong with it. Every where you look on every section something is done either wrong, crudely or without regard to the concept that it will break. Some things like the brake line wrapped around the exhaust pipe show a lack of paying attention. It's not just the scab welds but the lack of thought in mounting components or the placement of components.
  7. 28 chevy
    Joined: Mar 5, 2006
    Posts: 512

    28 chevy
    from NE Pa

    I see some of the same products that I used in mine BUT man, what a mess. My '28 chevy is at the inspection station as I type for a PA Enhanced inspection by a really good shop. I don't care what I have to fix, I want it safe.
  8. RatRod65GMC
    Joined: Sep 12, 2008
    Posts: 43


    Fuel line, then whole car will go....
  9. Gromit
    Joined: Oct 13, 2011
    Posts: 726


    I'll be the forst to step up and say.. That welding is no worse than mine. Just sayin. Of course the only thing I weld is exaust and the odd non structural thingy for myself.

    That's why I always say no when a customer asks me to weld something other than a garden ornament.

    Pretty scary fab skills.
  10. jcapps
    Joined: Dec 30, 2008
    Posts: 473

    from SoCal

    There are literally thousands of hot rods out there that have work equal to this. I had a 50 merc, supposed high dollar car come into my shop. It was literally cut in half front to back and over the rear axle. It was not put back together well at all. The fuel line was rubbing against the tire. I can go on. Customer has no clue, I explained it to him, showed him, then sent him on his way. He is currently trying to sell it for 125k
    He went back to his previous shop who did the work for his other cars because they were $20 an hour less then my rate. And my rate is great for socal
    Last edited: May 15, 2012
  11. This reminds me of a car my neighbor's nephew drove in from southwestern Missouri to central Oklahoma around 1988 or so. The kid was driving his '65 Barracuda to San Antonio, TX, where he had a new job awaiting him. It had a miss when he got to OKC, so my neighbor wanted me to take a look. This car looked great from 10 feet or so. This car was literally put together by the nephew with bailing wire and tape!

    First, the '72 Mopaar 340 that was in it was just sitting on the pass side engine mount and not bolted down. The driver side was held in place with a small turnbuckle and two lengths of dog chain! Only two bolts held the transmission to the engine block. The tailshaft was held, barely, with two large worm clamps. The exhaust was lengths of exhaust pipe interspersed with Coke cans and hose clamps that held those lengths together. No mufflers at all. Four different sized tires on four different 14" wheels (two aluminum, two steel, no matches). The floor shifter was a pair of Vice-Grips attached to a length of steel bolted to the trans linkage. He had one windshield wiper. One taillight. Two headlights. No blinkers. Starting the car was a matter of a button hotwired up to the coil, starter solenoid and battery.

    He had already driven this, on the TURNPIKE, over 225 miles! Fortunately, once I showed his handiwork to his Uncle (my neighbor), he bought the nephew a bus ticket to San Antonio and gave me the car.

    I sold the Barracuda body, and kept the 340 and automatic, along with the 8-3/4" rear axle.

    Plus, likely saved the kids' life!!!
  12. Carnuba
    Joined: Mar 19, 2012
    Posts: 430


    Plus I've seen your work. It's spotless!;)
  13. Slag Kustom
    Joined: May 10, 2004
    Posts: 4,312

    Slag Kustom

    i have seen the same bad work done by many on here.

    i have seen just as crappy welds cleaned up with a grinder and people say how great it came out.
  14. nutajunka
    Joined: Jan 24, 2007
    Posts: 1,466


  15. I looked at the pics again, - think this car tried to kill itself!
  16. i find it hard to believe that ANYBODY, after losing his brakes and wrecking his/her car, wouldn't listen to a experienced craftsman about the repairs needed to make sure it didn't happen again.
  17. Roadagent2
    Joined: Apr 15, 2010
    Posts: 243


    Those welds are worst than mine...and I don't weld!
  18. RustyNCA
    Joined: Feb 18, 2009
    Posts: 406


    You are looking at a car here in California, we don't have required state inspections. At least as far as I know, I have never had to deal with one. I do have a 65 TBird with a CHP inspection on the windscreen, but that sticker has been there a long time, I bought the car from the orginal owner.
  19. czuch
    Joined: Sep 23, 2008
    Posts: 2,688

    from vail az

    C'mon guys, the bigger the glob, the better the job. What stood out for me most was the booster bracket hogged out to be like a universal, then washered up to fit.
    The line on the exaust was pretty spectacular too.
    We're a funny bunch. I just finished an O/T and my wife was wondering about why I ran the front clip wires without even crossing them. I didnt even think about it, its just doing things right.
    BTW, I have a friend who welds for me. I have the car trailer.
  20. Horrible,

    So many guys out of work right now and starting "hot rod shops" that really have no business doing so. I have one such of these types of vehicles I am completely redoing.

    The owner had this built, not a home build but a "professional shop" did this rat rod. I am trying to think if I have seen worse, but I can't. It is at least on par with badshifter's example.

    Thumb through this album: 1932 Hudson Rat Rod

    Keep your barf bag handy while you do so.

  21. Perrorojo
    Joined: Feb 25, 2011
    Posts: 357


    So your saying my welds shouldn't look like this? I would think that thing weighs 3 tons.
  22. S.F.
    Joined: Oct 19, 2006
    Posts: 2,895


    what the hell is up with that brake hose touching the exhaust pipe....why? I just dont get it
  23. The old frame was built from 2X4 .188" wall box tube. And a lot of it!

    This is car was actually the work of two maybe three shops. None of which were remotely qualified to do this sort of thing.

    A "glue gun" MIG and a chop saw does not make you a fabricator.
  24. Perrorojo
    Joined: Feb 25, 2011
    Posts: 357


    I am in the process of rebuilding one built in the 70's with about the same level of thought put into it. Mine had grade five bolts brazed to the tie rod ends on the front rack and pinion. The deeper you dig the scarier they get.
  25. ev88f
    Joined: Jan 29, 2010
    Posts: 371


    Oh man... That Hudson rr thing, we all have scrap piles that we pick some good pieces out of to build cars. However, that does not mean use the whole pile:)
  26. Calling these cars ''pieces of shit'' is an insult to shit. I feel real sorry for unsuspecting owners paying good money for garbage work.
  27. I really wish each and every one of you guys could have been by my side as I completely dismantled this car. Everything in the OP was copied here. Load bearing brake lines and all.

    This sort of stuff needs to be stamped out of existence by our own hands. The shops that built this stuff need to be called out...
  28. looks ok at a distance, say 400 feet, but looking at the pics what a heap of shit, looks like the gave the apprentice his first build:eek:
  29. Obviously, not an old ride out of Boyd Coddington's shop.....
  30. yetiskustoms
    Joined: May 22, 2009
    Posts: 1,930


    Thats a hazzard for sure. Horrible hack work...

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