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Hot Rods The ultimate sleeper?!?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by davey_shumard, Jan 2, 2013.

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  1. davey_shumard
    Joined: Jun 28, 2010
    Posts: 151


    Recently made some trades happen and came into a very potent small block. I wanna build the ultimate sleeper.....ugly, cheesy, or otherwise unwanted cars are what im curious about. What, in your opinion, is the ultimate sleeper starter chassis. And where do you go from purchase.....(build thread to follow possibly?!):D
  2. Gerg
    Joined: Feb 27, 2006
    Posts: 1,828


    i am thinking something 4 doors and early 60's That would be ugly cheesy and slightly unwanted
  3. 60-62 Plymouth Valiant. Only thing uglier might be one of those French Citroens.
  4. Bryan G
    Joined: Mar 15, 2011
    Posts: 190

    Bryan G
    from Delmarva

    Mid-size 4dr, rusty, white or beige. Maybe whitewalls. Rambler, Plymouth, maybe the right Chevelle or Fairlane. I know where a rusted-out 4dr '66 Stude is sitting, it sure looks the part.

  5. TheTrailerGuy
    Joined: Jun 18, 2011
    Posts: 392


    How about a 1961 Pontiac Tempest... small, ugly and nobody would see it coming until it was too darn late....

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  6. grimmfalcon138
    Joined: Jan 14, 2010
    Posts: 164

    from az

    I don't know if i should take offense to that or not. But they are kinda ugly.
  7. Giddyup
    Joined: Aug 28, 2012
    Posts: 34

    from Denver, CO

    How about something in the AMC Rambler family? Cheap, decent size, & room for a big block. There's a '59 Rebel on ebay that in no way looks fast, yet has style.
  8. AnimalAin
    Joined: Jul 20, 2002
    Posts: 3,416


    Fairmont four door. Light, cheap, common, and ordinary. Absolutely blends in with the surroundings. Lots of chassis parts in common with Mustangs, and plenty of room to fit whatever motor you decide. An early Falcon stands out too much fifty years after it was built; a not-too-shiny Fairmont is just an old car.

    I concede that it isn't HAMB-friendly, but you asked....

  9. No one would notice the new rear suspension and straight rear end?

    Too much work!
  10. Squablow
    Joined: Apr 26, 2005
    Posts: 17,432


    Definitely has to be a 4 door and have full wheel covers, preferably 14 inch. I love the idea of a Rambler, an early 60's 770 Classic or Ambassador, preferably tan, with a touched up original paint job and nothing visible from the outside or interior to hint that it's anything but bone stock.

    They are known rust buckets, so you'd really have to search out a clean one, and you'd want some beefy subframe connectors and a heavier rearend. But disc brake swaps are bolt-on from the late 70's and early 80's Eagles (I was told, along with other suspension components possibly) so you could keep the original front suspension.
  11. drlabatomy
    Joined: Dec 11, 2012
    Posts: 8

    from Mahwah, NJ

    1986 Town & Country Station Wagon. Sorry I had to list my first car. Definately a sleeper. Normal 4cyl Turbo.
  12. PackardV8
    Joined: Jun 7, 2007
    Posts: 1,174


    Agree with it being a four-door ugly baby. If we're sticking to HAMB guidelines, I'd go for a '50s Studebaker Champion 4dr. They're really light, but with an engine compartment which easily swallows a SBC.

    However, the ultimate sleeper has to appear comatose right up until it sucks the money out of the hot lookin' car's driver's pocket. Can't have a rump-rump idle and a scoop through the hood. Can't have any visible traction devices or big'n littles.

    Those which work best are turbocharged or NOS. Done right, they don't give a single external clue.

    jack vines
  13. el Scotto
    Joined: Mar 3, 2004
    Posts: 4,699

    el Scotto
    from Tracy, CA

    1963 Nova four door sedan, fresh off granny's estate sale. Bonus points for plastic seat covers, full hubcaps on 13" steelies, and single tail pipe.
  14. metal man
    Joined: Dec 4, 2005
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    metal man

    you would be surprised at how simple it is. I just did one recently(convertible).There are a couple of shots in my albums. I used a 9" Ford rear,coil-overs, and a Pete & Jake's triangular 4-bar kit.Power comes from a 389 / 4-speed. The Temptest has a very sturdy uni-body structure that was just right for this modification.
  15. hemikev
    Joined: Apr 12, 2012
    Posts: 64


    maybe 64-5 chevelle 4 dr , 66-67 fairlaine 4 dr , mid 60s fullsize 4 dr , I remember walking down concession st in hamilton mid 80s , full size chev kingswood wagon with 427 badges - woodgrain sides , maybe a wagon is the way to go ...
  16. Rickybop
    Joined: May 23, 2008
    Posts: 9,665


    The "ultimate sleeper" anymore is gonna be way too new to be Hamb friendly. Somethin' like the 4-door Fairmont idea...stealth, but

    Love the Valiant idea, but the old stuff might not fool anybody anymore. Could be anything under that hood. But I think the idea is still cool.

    Even old VWs don't fly too well here on the Hamb, but if it can do a wheelie, they slip in sometimes. I've always had an interest in the Crown and Kellmark conversion kits to build a mid-engined SBC-powered Bug. Not necessarily real ugly, but man they gotta scoot.
  17. Killer32
    Joined: Feb 3, 2012
    Posts: 210

    from California

    Right here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just wanted to add some fun!!!!!

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  18. Sheep Dip
    Joined: Dec 29, 2010
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    Sheep Dip
    from Central Ca

  19. pinkynoegg
    Joined: Dec 11, 2011
    Posts: 1,136


    hows about a 4 door tri-five? they can be found alot of places and on the cheap. maybe not sleeper enough though?
  20. docmike
    Joined: Oct 2, 2011
    Posts: 239


    "ULTIMATE" sleeper? '78 Ford Fairmont 4 door I understand it's basically a Mustang chassis. But we won't talk about that here.

    I used to know a guy that had an early 60's Rambler that he transplanted the drive train out of a wrecked '69 390 AMX into it, engine, sway bars, limited slip differential, the works. Back then radial tires were just starting to be used and he ran a set of Michelin radial narrow whitewalls with full stock wheel covers. It looks like an old ladies car but boy could it run.
    Something like this.

  21. Jalopy Joker
    Joined: Sep 3, 2006
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    Jalopy Joker

    lots of sleepers have been built - 4 doors - mid size - maybe '63-'65 GM so, engine will bolt in easier, etc. - can't be too perfect or too rusty - everything visible inside and out must look stock - column shifter - tach, etc hidden - hard thing will be traction on skinny tires and no hi-performance engine sounds-maybe electric cut outs - inside hood latch to keep prying eyes out - you need to dress like a Geek too -
  22. GassersGarage
    Joined: Jul 1, 2007
    Posts: 4,726


    One of the magazines ran an article about the ultimate sleeper. It was a '65 Malibu 4 door, column shift and full wheel covers. The advantage? Engine swap would be easy. The car had the wheel covers screwed to the rims and the shift light was the high beam indicator. I believe the car ran 10's without nitrous, but it was a long time ago.
  23. teddyp
    Joined: May 28, 2006
    Posts: 3,197


    mint green 61 dodge with a 413 4 door with full dish hubcaps and skirts some rust stops on it and fuzzy dice must look like you think its cool so they know why you want to race
  24. blue57ford
    Joined: Jul 24, 2005
    Posts: 491


    A Family Truckster. Complete with luggage rack.
  25. gwarren007
    Joined: Apr 3, 2010
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  26. DocWatson
    Joined: Mar 24, 2006
    Posts: 10,278


    You couldn't get that fucking station wagon to go fast bolted to an SR-71!! It's HUGE!!!

  27. gwarren007
    Joined: Apr 3, 2010
    Posts: 381


    the 440 and 727 sure would help though.
  28. stude_trucks
    Joined: Sep 13, 2007
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  29. BillSchmid
    Joined: Jul 21, 2012
    Posts: 106

    from Ohio

    Not hamb friendly at all, but a beat up mazda rx-7. Do all the typical ricer stuff to it (stickers, crappy spray can paint job, useless spoiler, colored rims). power it with a healthy sbc or ls v8 and have the exhaust exit through two fart cans. Nobody would see it coming.
  30. checker cab, how embarrassing would it be to get your ass kicked by a beat up checker.

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