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History The Trammel Roadster

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Ryan, Sep 6, 2022.

  1. 50Fraud
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    This was Navarro's car, which was very nice.
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  2. Stogy
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    Is Barney still with us?...and yes the Roadster looks real sharp...
     
  3. Gofannon
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    This is Navarro's before the track nose and cut back cowl. Trammel's was a coupster.
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  4. Gofannon
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    I think you should take another look and repost them.
     
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  5. Stogy
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    They are not of the Trammel so are they really relevant...certainly connected by people involved and perhaps the Shop...
     
  6. 50Fraud
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    240 is the number on the earlier pictures of the Trammel car. It's unlikely that Navarro would be running the same number on his own car. 31, however, does appear to be Navarro's number and car.
    Barney died in 2007.
     
  7. Gofannon
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    I think they were Trammel's. Coupster body, longer wheelbase than Navarro's, 32 shell with that weird bumper thing.
     
  8. corncobcoupe
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    Blew up the Flattie huh.....
    Tear down with Keith coming ?
     
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  9. Gofannon
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    Numbers don't mean much. Navarro with 6A and 16A.

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  10. Stogy
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    ...Back Up...;)

    I applaud the history being revered as it always is here...I still learn things and try my best to take it all in but there's so much to know...I know you are pretty up on T's there Gofannon...
     
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  11. Gofannon
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    Well @Stogy maybe it's not Trammel's. Bottom pic is definitely Navarro. Maybe someone can ID the other.

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  12. Stogy
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    :rolleyes:...yes I see the body is straight out at the turtle deck wheelwell area...and both T's I shared have a narrower Turtle deck and transition...
     
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  13. banjorear
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    Unfortunately not. Barney passed a number of years ago.
     
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  14. Tim
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    Maybe I missed it but is the Trammel car still around? I love that we still see the Navarro roadster out being raced with the track nose and the 32 grill.
     
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  15. cheap-n-dirty
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    the 9b is Tom Beaty's
     
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  16. AmishMike
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    Not sure which roadster is which but all great. See different engine/blower location & cowl steering. Barney’s restored is great. Old mag article says homemade oxygen spray. Never heard that before. “Strange”bumper looks like frame wrap around frame to frame like many old dirt sprinters
     
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  17. Karl Wescott
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    I disagree with the assessment of the -C car as a "coupster". It has all of the roadster lines of the doors, cockpit, trunk lid, and rear deck. I looks to me like the turtle deck was welded to the body and the body and turtle deck panels smoothed to lose the separation line. (A nice difficult job).
     
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  18. AHotRod
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    So sorry to hear of the engine failure, I trust you have another in the shop corner.

    I also agree with this 100% - Just avoid car shows like the plague... and drive the shit out of your cars.
    Glenn
     
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  19. Stogy
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    :rolleyes:...Guys you have to show up...it's a form of spreading the gospel...see look at those young guys...:D

    Get some drivin' in before ya go...:)

    @AHotRod, a belated Happy Birthday...
     
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  20. AngleDrive
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    Another book is Proof Through the Night. B29 pilot and copilot were in the same prisons as Louis Zamperini.
    The copilot after the war built a 33 pickup in the early fifties. He drove it for several years and it passed thru a couple of owners. One of my Hobby members purchased the truck and I helped him rebuild it to the early specs. He had found an old insurance slip with the copilots name on it and after some research got the history of the truck from the Grandson. IMG_20200809_123022370.jpg
     
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  21. junkman8888
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    To me it looks like the Trammel car is made from a Model T roadster cowl and doors but Model T coupe quarters.
     
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  22. Nobey
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    I used to go to car shows with my roadster. Invariably some guy would walk up and say, flatheads
    are not very fast. You just say, they're faster than a Fat Man in a lawn chair.
     
  23. missysdad1
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    I have pretty much quit "car shows" too, but the thing that really punched my ticket was how many of the guys with the nice cars don't know a thing about them even though they claim to have built them in their own garage shop. This comment is a little off-topic perhaps, but at least when I was a kid (a very long time ago!) guys knew every nut and bolt of their cars and really liked talking about them. They built them, drove them and usually raced them at least occasionally, legal or not, and that's just not often the case any more - at least not among the car show lawnchair set. So I find myself not having very much in common with them, preferring to hang out at local cruise nights and such where the "riffraf" who really love hot rods can be found.

    Okay, rant over. Return to your regularly scheduled programming.
     
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  24. BlacktopScraper
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    Here's a picture of Barney Navarro in front of his last shop. The shop is located on Chevy Chase Dr and Algers St. in Los Angeles. The Atwater Village/Glendale border, about a mile from my house. Alger010.jpg
     
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  25. Tim
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    I feel like Pat Ganahl featured the shop in one of his blog posts where he hunted down the addresses of the original shops in the city and took photos of what they look like now. If I have a minute I’ll find and link it
     
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  26. BlacktopScraper
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    You're right Tim! That's exactly where I got the above photo of Barney. I knew about Navarro's shop, but was really stoked to find out about the other original shops. I drive by those streets almost daily and never knew the cool history. Thank you Pat (RIP)!
     
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  27. Stan Back
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    Y'all probably know this, but SCTA classes were in reverse cu. in. order early on -- little to bigger and bigger. That's why the Navarro roadster in one picture was in A class with a destroked 176" flathead.

    On another note, I wonder if this roadster was Charles "Scotty" Scott's. It looks like the wheel wells are filled as was his.

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