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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by gwhite, Jul 3, 2013.
G Baese - If that's all yours, nice score! How'd ya run across it? Hoarding it or selling it?
Its all sitting on the living room floor as I post Jeff.
This stuff and more came with the purchase of a 1925 Ford/Ames with a Frontenac SR Dual Spark set-up, a '26 Ford handmade copper bodied racer with a RAJO Model B and a '33 Harley VC with sidecar. The cars and bike went to a buddy. I kept the little Moto-Guzzi along with the Winfields, some SU's, and a pile of other vintage candy. Check out the cars.
Jeff, about the disposition of this stuff, I need to sort it and see what is useful to warm up my old Vicky and the rest will certainly be available for trade.
A Winfield head (iron 6:1), intake manifold or a Model B dizzy would help me out.
7:1 head on B block '48' carbs
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I would have showed him the tire long before you did
AND for God's sake get a mirror kid
Thought I should post these here
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Banger porn there. I need a BB downdraft for my Winfield intake.
Maybe one of the rarest pieces of Winfield speed equipment. 1929 Chev intake, was on ebay a few years ago.
This is hanging in my living room
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as the 37 kid pointed out, the guy with Ed in the first pic is Chris Eggsgart, a long time friend of Ed's. Chris at one time owned the 2 up 2 down engine. the "unknown carb" in one of the first pics is a model M.
Very interesting. That's the only aftermarket intake I've ever seen for the '29-'36 engines.
I haven't seen one of these in the thread:
Here's a couple Winfield Model S brochures and a fairly interesting 1929 letter from a Winfield retailer to a Winfield supplier that I recently picked up for my collection.
I'll post some photos of the vintage Winfield parts I have as soon as I find some time to dig everything out.
Just found this Winfield SU-1 with vintage adjustable lifters on a V8-60 I disassembled tonight!
So expect that Ed must have engineered some "Winfield" Go-Fast goodies for the Willys 134.2 Cubic Inch Flatmotor ???. Any parts, pics &/or photos out there? Please post your info. Thanks.
Keeping the thread alive.
Winfield 6.1 crows foot destined for my 32 pickup with a "B" motor.
Anybody know what the "F" designates ?
Also serial number is 6977 and idea how many were cast?
Nicest original Winfield head I've ever seen!
I have no idea what the cast-in letter represents, but I don't believe I've ever seen a crowsfoot without it...neither have I ever seen a 'regular' combustion chamber with it. My guess is that Ed Winfield produced the standard combustion chamber first, then went over to the 'crowsfoot' design later - probably using a different foundry (the cast-in number is likely nothing more than a foundry mark, perhaps indicating the molding or form used).
Wish we knew more about Winfield's operation.
FWIW, my 'Yellow Head' has 18mm plugs, standard combustion chamber, and is serial #227;
Are you thinking the "F" was indicating a foundry? Any idea, with the concept of serializing the head, how many were made?
I've seen the letters A, D, and F on heads (I'm sure there are others)...I reckon that those letters designate a specific form used by the foundry - a pretty common manufacturing procedure.
I don't think anybody knows how many were produced; Winfield's operation was small and no known records exist (to my knowledge). If I were to guess, I'd say there were probably a few thousand produced (total). No idea how many standard cc vs. crowsfoot were made; seems like the ratio is about 40% std, 60% crowsfoot on surviving examples, not counting the later Super Winfields.
Noticed that polishing intakes & choke housings was a pretty popular thing to do in the late 30's - early 40's. Decided to give it a try;
Here is a few shots of my Super Winfeild Head. It is cast iron and it has 14mm plugs in it so I believe it is from the 50's.No # stamped into it. On another thread Some one suggested it might be 8:1? The combustion chambers are only about 1/2" deep.
All very interesting
My crowsfoot has a '3' where that F is and the serial number is 6782. From the serial number we'd assume that was 6:1 yes?
I ask because all the others I've seen described 6:1 are flycut whereas mine isn't, even before it got cleaned up. Does anybody know the depth of the flycut, assuming that this was done by Winfield rather than the end user?
I have two Standard chamber 6-1 heads. Both use 14mm plug. One plain in the area of hb32's F marking and the other is marked 1-16. I thing gwight is correct that it is a foundry mark. Maybe a date code?
It is my opinion that the Super Winfield heads are solid 1940's production, most likely made under license after Ed diverted most of his attention to grinding camshafts (which was probably more lucrative than having a foundry cast heads & carbs).
In the late 40's-early 50's, the aluminum Super Winfield came along, made (I believe) by Bell Auto Parts, so yours being Winfield's preferred material (cast iron) makes me think it was made earlier.
That's a nice one, @Juggs! My standard cc 6:1 head ended up with .035" flycuts after being milled .025". I don't believe it had ever been touched before I had it surfaced, so that amounts to an approx .055" flycut depth originally.
It wouldn't surprise me if the crowsfoot heads had different flycuts though.
Thank you Mr White - had to take .055 off mine to start with as it had being lying face down somewhere damp for some little while. Think I best leave it at that.
I understand that 6:1 heads were yellow and 7:1 were red traditionally. I've heard talk of blue (light and dark) heads being available. Anybody know whether these were different ratios or just the customer painting the head whatever the hell color he liked?
The first number in the serial number is the compression ratio, the rest is the serial number. 6:1 heads were made in both "standard" and "crows-foot" design, with both 18mm and 14mm plug sizes. F.A.S.T. magazine is coming out with a series of articles on the Winfield's. For info go to www.hotforhotfours.com
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