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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by RaginPin3Appl3, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. chevy57dude
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    Looks like a road trip.
     
  2. RaginPin3Appl3
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    I talked to the guy about it and he says no side trim. How hard is that going to be to find?


    What'cha got in there, kid?
     
  3. RaginPin3Appl3
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  4. clunker
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    Looks interesting. Ad contradicts itself, says it runs and drives w/ 283, then says it's only got a non running engine bolted in. Needs glass and floors need pans. It also needs trim. But has potential.

    The one in Kanosha has glass, better body, needs drivetrain, but has a valid IL title and looks strait.

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    You can piece together some driver/beater quality trim off ebay, but even that will get pricey. You could go full on Kustom Kar guy, they hate trim.

    Either car seems like a good start to a project.
    Any project will cost thousands of dollars very quickly. Any old car (from a 4 door Rambler to 57 Chevy convertible) will always cost you $10,000 minimum to be fixed up and roadworthy over a couple years, (I've found).

    Better to start with a complete, running, legally titled car, but as you know thats harder to come by than a talking pig.
     
  5. I'd offer 1800.00 for that car above. if he takes it, it leaves you with money to buy the missing parts. If not, I would bet another one is out there in better/more complete shape for that kind of money. There is no way that car would fetch 3k...around here anyways.

    I'm not an expert but I've bought a lot of cars in my life. When the right deal comes along, you will probably know it. But you've gotta be prepared.
     
  6. Slopok
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    That ought to tell ya something right there, there's a reason for the price drop, always is!
     
  7. RaginPin3Appl3
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    yeah, the seller of the kenosha car put up more pics. rust looks pretty bad. the one in greene seems a lot more solid. theres a third car up in remsen that's complete but has rust issues. http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=884791&Year=1958&Make=CHEVROLET&Model=BISCAYNE


    i'm trying to decide which car is the best out of the 3 and go from there.
     
  8. RaginPin3Appl3
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    also the one in greene has the standard listing of all their cars but they specialize in running cars
     
  9. Buy the better looking one as long as it's solid. The one you just posted looks like a rust nightmare
     
  10. Slopok
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    Both look bad in the pictures and pictures especially of White cars hide sin, look at the dents in the blue roof.
     
  11. RaginPin3Appl3
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    i noticed that too. the white/blue car is probably in the worst shape rust wise because of what could be hiding under there.

    I'm waiting to hear back from the guy with the windowless but more solid one.
     
  12. flatford39
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    Like Chris says $1500 to $1800 max on the the middle one or walk away. They are all bad candidates for a restoration. They are parts cars and that is the attitude you need to display to the seller when talking to him.
     
  13. low budget
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  14. RaginPin3Appl3
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    I'm thinking my best bet is the car in greene Ia, at coyote classics. Since i don't weld, it has the best body and looks ok underneath. Either way i go i'll be missing trim though. Not sure when i'll make it up there though especially since i've never driven with a trailer so i'd need to bring a buddy along. Still gotta find out more about it before i spend a whole day going up there


    What'cha got in there, kid?
     
  15. Black Panther
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    Might be easier to find trim than to fix rust. Buy the best body you can.
     
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  16. clunker
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    You're not really gonna learn until you dive in, so I think that any of these cars would be fun and interesting for you, and worth getting. Anything in the world that's worth having takes hard work.

    You ARE a great welder (you just haven't learned yet). &&@%% the name brand elitists, get yourself to Harbor Freight, or Craigs List and buy a little cheapy and practice. I'm giving my 10 year old daughter lessons and she lays a good bead!
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    All that being said, seeing this is your 1st old car, and your school/$ situation I would lean towards something like this one in Milwaukee, maybe you could make a deal, for some extra money be way ahead of the game, actually saving $ in the back end.

    https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/5886972079.html

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    That being said, the funnest times I ever had with cars were when I was way over my head or wondering if I made a mistake. In 1994, driving away from a guy's house who I had just given $600 for a running/driving '57 Ford Ranchero, I was thinking to myself: "this car is F-ing ugly, what did I just do?". I drove that car for almost 10 years, grew to love it, gave it away (long story), would give my left nut to have it back. I tore the engine and transmission apart from my Caddy, thinking "I have no idea what I'm doing. What have I just done?"........Thing's running and driving great.

    Boring old guy rant over. Let us know what you do! We are pullin' for ya.
     
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  17. RaginPin3Appl3
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  19. RaginPin3Appl3
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    Well, I haven't found a 58 yet. There was one for sale near me in MO that had 33,000 original miles. car was mint. guy owned it since the 70s and it was a straight 6. With 33,000 and that condition I couln't afford it though.

    I did find an interesting car a couple hours from me, wanted to see what you guys think. guy wants $3000 for it and keeps dropping the price. started out at 3800.

    A 57 is far from a 58 but It's one of my favorite cars and I know parts are everywhere both old and repop.

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  20. RaginPin3Appl3
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    has a 283 and the glide is in the trunk. has all glass.
     
  21. RaginPin3Appl3
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    an I may be wrong, but is it a factory AC car?
     
  22. chevy57dude
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    Deluxe heater. A/C dash would have holes for ball vents. Super unlikely on a 210.
    You gonna buy this one? If you think 3 grand is too much, you're in the wrong hobby. Seriously.
     
  23. RaginPin3Appl3
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    Im on spring break this week so i can get a trailer and go get it. Just wanted to see what other people think about it first. It obviously needs some sheetmetal work and i don't weld so i'd have to farm that out but everything else i can do myself


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  24. RaginPin3Appl3
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    Seller also says the title is in the last owners name. How big of a deal is that


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  25. squirrel
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    title can be a big deal or not a big deal. Usually if the current owner didn't get the title in his name, it's because he can't...???? maybe tell him you'll buy it if he gets the title in his name.

    Or at least look a the title and see for yourself what the status is (ie is it signed, notarized, or whatever needs to be done), and ask the Illinois experts what it takes to transfer a title in that condition.
     
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  26. steinauge
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    JMO but I would walk away from that one.That is NOT a good car for a novice especially one with a limited budget .
     
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  27. flatford39
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    You really need to focus on something that is running and driving since it's your first build. That 57 above will make you drop out of this great hobby once you see how much money it is going to cost you to get it roadworthy. As far as the title goes if it's not in the sellers name that is a giant red flag. If it is signed and dated by the previous owner you are going to have to track him down and have him sign an affidavit that he sold the car to the guy you bought it from. The person on the title could be dead as far as you know. I just sent a title for 75 Triumph motorcycle that wasn't dated but had a signature that made it through the system. If it's dated on the back where his signature is it's worthless.

    I see about ten miles of welding wire you are going to go through to get that one on the road. Since you don't weld that means you are going to pay someone to do it for you. It's going to break your budget.

    Find something you can drive and start enjoying the hobby immediately and learn how to fix things on a running car. After that experience and you are a little more financially secure in your life then go find a project.
     
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  28. Man that 57 would make a great drag car!!

    @squirrel guys in my state sometimes don't put cars in their name because they have to pay sales tax on them if they do. It's not a big deal who's name it's in as long as it's signed. But that's WA the other 49 may work differently.
     
  29. RaginPin3Appl3
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    Well, seller sent me a pic of the title. It's signed by the previous owner, and isn't dated. He says he also has a bill of sale from the last owner. I may still try to get it unless you guys think that's fishy


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  30. VTjunk
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    I'd ask to see more pics of the 57 before I went to look at it. Ask to see the inner rockers, body supports/mounts, trunk pan where it meets the wheel housings, and the tailpan. The rust shown in the pics isn't half the story I bet. Also how are the door bottoms, inner structure etc. Having done the body restoration on a 57 convertible, and sourcing parts for my 56 Pontiac which shares some components, i can tell you that good used or reproduction 55-57 sheet metal isn't cheap, then there's the cost of having someone do that work for you, or buying the tools and equipment yourself and learning. Do some virtual shopping, see what the cost is for some of this stuff before you go at least.
     

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