Nobody is perfect, but there is also nothing wrong with making judgements either. I'm too old, have seen enough to know that it isn't "all good". I'm also not looking for heroes, stopped doing that in my teens. Was Howard an interesting guy? Yes he was. Was he an asshole? Yes he was. As a matter of fact I've met some "legends" that were jerks, but I'm not here to trash people. I just wrote what I wrote as an aside to Ryans story for those that might not know what "Von Dutch" was like...as a person.Enuff said.