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The February 2011 Banger Meet

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by -Brent-, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. -Brent-
    Joined: Nov 20, 2006
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    I haven't had my daily banger fix... and I can't believe I'm the first one to the party!

    I gathered all my stuff for nickle plating and I'm bringing it to the platers tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have the engine all cleaned up and painted, ready for the shiny parts this weekend. We'll see though, there's a serious pile of A front and rear axles blocking the project.

    Anyhow...

    Here is the banger link list .


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...=470853&page=6


    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculatorfin.jsp


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?...icdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/T...e-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...470853&page=10
     
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  2. BCCHOPIT
    Joined: Aug 10, 2008
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    I will trade you your pile of parts for my pile of snow blocking my car
     
  3. Bluto
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    Snow has melted some here ...... nice to not have to shovel our way in......
     
  4. gas4blood
    Joined: Nov 19, 2005
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    from Kansas

    My T speedster sits in the barn, snow is a little over half way up the wheels on my old '46 Chevy pickup. Wind is 30-40 mph. -12 predicted tonight. Can't wait for March, it starts to warm up then!
     
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  5. Gaters
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    It's really cold here too, about 66 degrees F. I could hardly stand the cold wind over my roadster windshield.:D

    I'm kidding, I know you guys are getting beat up back there. Stay safe. Look forward to reading through the banger thread this month.
     
  6. RussTee
    Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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    well today it has been very hot about 33deg C and strong fone wind up to 130k an hour
     
  7. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    On the way home from breakfast Saturday, mine decided that #1 and # 2 cylinders didn't need to work any more.

    Everything is working fine on the ignition side, now I need to check compression to see if I lost the head gasket. More info when I have it.

    .
     
  8. Well guys, all my bangers have left the building. I have the remains of my old roadster that is currently getting a V8...I know, I know....either way, I do have one B left. The block is junk but if anyone needs any parts lemme know.

    I hope to have another Model A down the road :D



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  9. kenagain
    Joined: Dec 15, 2005
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    from so cal


    all this cold weather probably stuck the valves
     
  10. model.A.keith
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  11. Crazydaddyo
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    I don't think it's a valve issue. There is no "popping" through the intake or exhaust.

    .
     
  12. Bluto
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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    I was gonna ask if it was swapping gasses

    Has anyone got the data to pantagraph the block for wire? Maybe TV Dan

    Use copper with ..... stainless is for sprint car Chevys

    Did you chamfer the head stud holes often this makes a big difference.
     
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  13. Dustyp489
    Joined: Feb 1, 2008
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    Chris :

    I missed something ! What happen to your coupe?

    I liked reading about things you had done to it

    Some day I will get my Pickup back on the road

    Skip
     


  14. I sold it, it is somewere crossing the ocean heading to Australia. I jerked the B out of my 33 pickup in favor of a V8, and same with my A roadster! I am letting you guys down!!!!!
     
  15. Chris, the roadster looks bitchin' with the early grille!

    I snagged a repop Winfield banger head out of the classifieds a little bit ago and I am anxiously it's arrival at the end of the week. It will go in my T roadster if I ever get my truck done.
     
  16. TV
    Joined: Aug 28, 2002
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    Yep, as Bluto said I have the makins to wire a banger head. Have done 3 or 4.--TV PS. We use a soft SS .035, go around all cylinders and around the outside edge also. Works Great
     
  17. Bluto
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    Tom I really like copper in these grooves ..... a customer not take my advice and the stainless wire cracked the block! Honest we had to take the motor out and apart and surface it ..... do the whole job over.

    Asked him WHY? ''Oh I didn't want it to rust'' Copper don't rust the head gasket was made of copper!

    Best day for me was when he sold the car

    Soft stainless? maybe but I like copper easy to cut an file flush, easy to shape ...... just the way it do it

    See you soon :D

    We can discuss this over a cold one.....

    It's coffee time in the froze east
     
  18. Crazydaddyo
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    How deep is the groove in the head?

    How much of the wire bites into the gasket?

    Thanks.

    .
     
  19. Bluto
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    The wire is proud about .015-.020

    I think in your case it might be better to "wire" the block .... that way you can change heads without having to wire each one.

    Same data will work on block as head.

    Dan do you torque the studs into the block? And use sealer? Have you 'pinned' the head gasket to insure it's location is repeatable?
     
  20. TV
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    Bluto, The reason he cracked the block was he had to much stick up??? You are pushing on the gasket and you only need about .005 to .007 crush. I'm sure copper wire works just as well, but you must use more stick up with it. I guess its all in what you get usta using and setting up properly.--TV I will take you up on the COLD ONE. See you soon.
     
  21. Bluto
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    Jeeeeeeez Tom that was 20 years ago..... I'd have to look in my notes but I do remember doing what Isky recommends. We run thick tri-layer gaskets and the bores were very close together.

    Same guy also managed to pull a helicoil out of a plug hole too

    Nice guy but he brought a brand spanking new enclosed race car trailer and the car was too low to go in it......

    Just a total 'train wreck'
     
  22. Jimmy2bottle
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    Who makes the best t5 to banger kit?...
     
  23. Crazydaddyo
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  24. Crazydaddyo
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    Thanks for the info.

    I don't want to pull this block so the head will be the way to go.

    If I use .035" wire is the grove .035"?

    I use a new "sandwich" gasket every time, so I don't see a need to pin it.

    I don't bottom out the studs and I use sealer.

    I haven't had the head off since you mentioned the chanpher trick last year. I will do it this time.

    .
     
  25. I just lay the wire on the block between 1 and 2 another between 3 and 4. I use a 2" piece of .012-.014 Copper wire and a little dab of grease to hold it in place. I have an old Winfield head that has been prick punched. I ran it with a plain $8.00 black composite gasket. It blew after a few runs at a " proud" helicoil. I had wires between the cylinders. 4" bore. Actually, it blew at a hill climb when the clutch was dropped at 3000 RPM's. This was at 9 to 1.
     
  26. TV
    Joined: Aug 28, 2002
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    If you use .035 wire, the groove needs to be a little wider so the wire has some room to move out instead of holding up the head. Same issue with a rubber O ring. --TV
     
  27. Bluto
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    Craz

    It's never about what one wants to do but more about what the motor needs. Saves you time and money in the long run and breaking down can ruin your day

    Please check and see if the block needs surfaciing.

    Are all the studs taking torque well?

    Pinning the gasket has nothing to do with reusing but more is about properly locating the gasket...... it a gasket 'hangs over' and edge you will not only have sealing problems but pre-ignition too

    On that subject .... if you have threads in the plug holes or the plugs threads showing you may have problems ... more compression more problems. These glow and light off the fuel at the wrong time. With the head off have a look.... you can control the pluch height with washers. Champion used to sell them in various widths
     
  28. Did somebody say cold beer? Hey, when Bluto shows up, we should have a SoCal HAMB Bangers Suds Fest! I'm in! Jess so it isn't on one of my race weekends. Bluto! You set the pace. If it's cold and rainy, we can get in motorhomes. I had our whole race group (7 drivers, some with wives/girl friends) in mine in steamy Coronado last September. ;)

    JOHN
     
  29. RussTee
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    The advantages of boxing a banger chassis and adding a x or k member I have always wondered about the wisdom of adding a floater motor kit to a stock chassised banger Henry designed both Ts and As with the motor being part of the chassis what are your thoughts and recomendations?
     
  30. Bluto
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    At Mid-Ohio I had 2 dozen+ in Bulebird like mine partying...... :)
     

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