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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by loudbang, Mar 3, 2016.

  1. Puff n FB_IMG_1527170735727.jpg Stuff, local car from Rochester, Ny
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  2. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Re: The A/CA2 in post 1617
    Maybe the thinking was similar to a lot of motorcycles - make the engine a stressed part of the chassis.
     
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  3. yellow dog
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    I like the engineering of post 1617 car and wonder when and what continent that pic was taken.
    The caravans and folks in the background don't look like I'm familiar with from the 60's.
    What class was an A/CA2
     
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  4. loudbang
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    Now that you mention it the people look British and the site where I found it sometimes has photos from the UK.
     
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  5. Mike VV
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    yellow dog -

    Being an Aerospace, Test Engineer (retired), that (post 1617's chassis) isn't what I'd call sound engineering..! Maybe...that's why you've never seen that design done since that car..!?
    I wouldn't drive it, and I still drive a motorcycle in Los Angeles, rush hour (?) traffic..!

    Mike
     
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  6. yellow dog
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    Hi Mike,
    I wouldn't drive a high CG short wheelbase altered either. Actually using the engine as a stressed member didn't
    go obsolete, and with a whole bunch more engineering and design it was used in F1, Indy car, etc. and motorcycles too. Good luck with LA riding, I escaped 50 yrs ago.
     
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  7. rooman
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    Yep, it is British.

    Roo
     
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  8. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    It looks like it also had "inboard" shocks to keep the unsprung weight down - another trick borrowed from road racers.

    Speaking of "innovative" chassis designs, didn't somebody build an aluminum uni-bodied funny car ? Maybe Doug Nash, Mickey Thompson or Danny Ongais?
     
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  9. loudbang
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    Flatty

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    Hi-Winders

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    Jackshaw vs Willys

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    Jackshaw

    EDIT: from nhranut the Jackshaw car is the "Bellino Brothers"

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  10. NHRANUT
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    The Jackshaw car is the "Bellino Brothers" out of Cleveland.
     
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  11. bchctybob
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    Talk about drilled axles, check out the front axle on the Jackshaw/Bellino Bros car. Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
     
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    Thanks added that info :)
     
  13. Mickey built it and Danny drove it. It was a Mustang.
     
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  14. chevy57dude
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    If so, the axle was ''skeletonized'' like gunsmiths cut away metal from triggers and other custom firearm parts. Looks flimsy.
     
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  16. Mike VV
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    Hey Bob -

    Yea, the Jackshaw, C/A's front axle appears to be hollow, or having the entire center blade removed from the "I" beam axle.
    Another scary..."innovation"..!

    Mike

    P.s. - Yellow dog -
    Never said I wouldn't drive an altered...I would, in a heartbeat, as long as it was "somewhat" safe.
     
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  17. Toymaker
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    Hey “Rude” what issue of what magazine is the Schaller Cam Special in?
     
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  18. rudestude
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    AAAAAhhh...ok you got me on that one...what one was it???...oh your asking me.....well I can't remember how far back that was posted.... I will check it out and see what I can find...it shouldn't be to long I think there is only about 2 to 300 magazine possibilities that it would be in...... I will be back.....

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  19. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Quote Dean Lowe: Mickey built it and Danny drove it. It was a Mustang.

    Thanks Dean for that clarification.
    I think it was Nash who built a Bronco funny car - with an aluminum tube chassis and 289 SBF! Very light - and ultimately very illegal
     
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  20. rooman
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    Correct. Doug built the Bronco Buster frame from rectangular section aluminum tube and the whole package came in at about 1650 lbs if my memory is working OK.

    Roo
     
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    Sattelmaier Bros

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    Schiefer

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    Travel-Ons

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  22. loudbang
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    From Bangkok Dean

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  23. George Klass
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    To be more accurate, Nye Frank built that Mustang when he was working at M/T's...
     
  24. rooman
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    "Schiefer"
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    The "Schiefer Mfg is a reference to Paul Schiefer who manufactured clutches in La Mesa, CA and was a 1969 inductee into the SEMA Hall of Fame.

    Roo
     
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  25. And the car was owned by one of my high school alumni, Sheldon Schmidt. It was driven by Gary Reed, and the engine was by Mike Demerest. Before the fuel altered transformation, Sheldon drove the coupe to West Covina high school. It was his daily ride.
     
  26. rooman
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    Thanks for that Dean, I have seen several photos of that car over the years but not one was captioned with the owner/driver's name.

    Roo
     
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  27. Sadly, the coupe didn't last long. A few weeks after it was rebuilt to the configuration in the photo,. the throttle stuck on a pass at Pomona. Reed ran through the chain link fence at the end of the strip, ( no sand trap or catch net then) across McKinley street and up onto the golf coarse. He wasn't hurt too bad, but Sheldon's high school ride was wadded into a ball, and scrapped.
     
  28. Sky Six
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    Mike, all fuel altereds are "somewhat", "fairly" safe. You just have to learn when to zig, when to zag, and when to close your eyes and wait for the boom.
     
  29. bchctybob
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    Sheldon Schmidt's coupe was featured on the cover of Popular Hot Rodding October 1962, one of the best covers ever.
    It's a great issue. The altereds of Alderson and McElvain (Bantam), Rucker, Sievers and Petre (Fiat), Warden, Lewis and Cole (T) and a cool little flathead powered Fiat from Rhode Island "the Chinese Bandit" by Don Salvage are all featured along with Mike Bamber's Willys pu, the Adams/McEwen Pontiac powered shark car and the Stone, Woods and Cook Olds powered Willys coupe.
     
  30. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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