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Folks Of Interest T Wreck in Pa

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by choffman41, Apr 13, 2015.

  1. Just saw this on the Model T forum. No info yet as to whether it was restored or a rod. Anyone recognize the names?
    1923 Model T Ford Convertible Skids off Road, Killing Couple
    MANHEIM, Pa. — Apr 13, 2015, 3:01 PM ET
    Associated Press
    A 1923 Model T Ford convertible skidded off the roadway and flipped over, killing a couple, police said Monday.

    Ralph Cramer, 70, and his wife, 59-year-old Lynn, of Mount Joy, died of traumatic injuries in the wreck Sunday night.
  2. Restored or rod, sucks either way.
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  3. LongT
    Joined: May 11, 2005
    Posts: 935


    I tried Google. All the articles said rebuilt or restored with new elements. They do not say if it means new replacement or new as in hot rod though. They did say that the T had seat belts.

    But sad either way.
  4. metal man
    Joined: Dec 4, 2005
    Posts: 2,948

    metal man

    That stinks. Being in P.A.,It was probably the first time they had it out this year .R.I.P.
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  5. Buddy Palumbo
    Joined: Mar 30, 2008
    Posts: 3,858

    Buddy Palumbo

    Certainly a shame. I agree , here in this area of Pa, we haven't had many opportunities to rock a t roadster.
  6. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Posts: 25,959


    Sad to see, reports said the car went into a skid and left the road and went airborne. Doesn't sound like it was a stock T.
  7. chevy57dude
    Joined: Dec 10, 2007
    Posts: 5,129


    Always rough to hear someone in the old car community was lost in an accident.
  8. NoRust
    Joined: Feb 6, 2010
    Posts: 31


  9. So sad to hear of these accidents. Condolences to the families involved.
  10. Jalopy Joker
    Joined: Sep 3, 2006
    Posts: 23,778

    Jalopy Joker

    very sad to hear - sounded like really good people.
  11. Don's Hot Rods
    Joined: Oct 7, 2005
    Posts: 8,319

    Don's Hot Rods
    from florida

    Umm, not good to hear. They sound like they were very nice folks for sure and a lot of friends are saddened by this.

  12. Hnstray
    Joined: Aug 23, 2009
    Posts: 10,917

    from Quincy, IL

    Sad ending to their lives. Condolences to family and friends. May they rest in peace.

  13. Sounds like it was a "T" Bucket. So a Hotrod.
  14. dirty old man
    Joined: Feb 2, 2008
    Posts: 8,301

    dirty old man

    Very sad indeed, and it's got me thinking, as one of my hot rods is a roadster. And I'm thinking about seat belts in open, no roll bar cars.
    Have been and still am an advocate for seatbelt use in cars. After using them in race cars (dirt ovals), having many pileups of greater severity than others on the street, and coming out injury free with belts when I got banged up big time on the street with no belts. Consequently, I was using seat belts on the street long before laws mandated their use.
    But when I read of an overturn of an open, no roll bar vehicle where the occupants are belted in and killed in a rollover, or as in this case upside down in a ditch, I wonder: Would they stand a better chance of survival if thrown clear? I seriously don't know which is better, and I'm only speaking of rollovers. I'm still of the opinion that in any other type of collision, having belts helps.
  15. This is very sad news. This is not very far from my neck of the woods. I was out in my coupe sunday and saw quite a few hot rods and harleys about. I wonder what exactly caused this accident. We have to all be carefull out there, myself included.
  16. Hnstray
    Joined: Aug 23, 2009
    Posts: 10,917

    from Quincy, IL

    As a matter of 'odds'.........belts are a better bet. I read once, some years ago, that fires and rollovers combined constituted less than 1% of all accidents. Of course, there is always the person who knows of a collision in which someone was thrown free and survived. But, I have to say, I have read about far more that were killed when ejected, sometimes by the vehicle itself rolling over them. For open cars, roll bars would seem to be an worthwhile addition.

  17. I agree Ray! T buckets offer very little protection. One of the reasons they always make me a little nervous to ride in.
  18. prayers to the family
  19. '52 F-3
    Joined: Sep 30, 2007
    Posts: 858

    '52 F-3

    I just seen on local news this morning, sad news........ RIP
  20. Paint
    Joined: Nov 18, 2005
    Posts: 297



    I think he was a HAMB member, screen name ralphcramer.
    I remember seeing his posts. Very sad.
  21. Hot Rods Ta Hell
    Joined: Apr 20, 2008
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    Hot Rods Ta Hell

    Yes "Paint", looks to be a HAMBer. Track T from Mt. Joy, PA. Last posted May 2014.
    Member, from Southcentral PA

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  22. The37Kid
    Joined: Apr 30, 2004
    Posts: 26,254


    Sad to read things like this, prayers and condolances to their friends and family. Bob
  23. sneakyPete
    Joined: Feb 11, 2006
    Posts: 68

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    Just read about this on the news this morning. Ralph was a friend of mine. Met him on the HAMB a couple years ago. Had dinner with them at the Race of Gentlemen last fall. Great guy. I will miss him. The car was a nicely built T track roadster. I won't speculate on what happened. RIP my friend.
  24. So sad RIP Mr. and Mrs. Cramer :(
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  25. Hackerbilt
    Joined: Aug 13, 2001
    Posts: 6,234


    oh my God....I think it's HAMBer "MOBY".
    We were having a conversation.
    He sent me a message 9 am his time Sunday...and finished by saying he and his wife were going off in the T at 3 pm for the first run of the season.
    Just 10 minutes ago I composed and sent an answer to his Sunday message.
    THEN I go to the board and read this.....Oh my God...I'm chilled.
    we only messaged a couple of times about his T and some of his other projects.
    I'm in a spin here sad.
    He was a nice guy......

    RIP Ralph and your wife as well. Man oh man.....
  26. Hackerbilt
    Joined: Aug 13, 2001
    Posts: 6,234


    It was Moby.
    He must have rejoined to get a more generic handle rather than use his real name.
    Real nice fella...God speed to you both. :(
  27. That sucks. Messaged Moby back and forth a few times about parts and exchanged pictures of our projects, seemed like a really good guy. RIP Ralph and his spouse.
  28. Its always sad and hard when we lose an old car buff. R.I.P. Bruce.
  29. The whole thing sucks, but when my time comes, I'd rather die in a T-bucket than in a hospice unit. We must thank the Man for the small favors also. God speed Ralph and Lynn!

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