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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by David Mazza, Sep 19, 2019.
Is that a Frontenac head on the full fendered T?
Wow what a great thread. I think I know what might happen with the front half of a 27 Touring I have had for around 35 years now.
Yes, yes it is. Steve Lang said it was reported to them it had been at I believe he said 89mph. As an owner of a stock T, I find that terrifying. However there were all sorts of little tricks all over the thing.
Seeing the Aldrich car was an AMAZING experience, even though it needs to be put back together. The amount of history behind the car is unreal. I wish we had better access to it as it was kinda in a corner with a bunch of stuff all around it.
It's a Fronty Model T (for Touring) head. Read all about it here. The car ran 87 mph at a dry lake in 1940 with the top down but the fenders still installed.
Gow with flathead v8 and Carson top
I respectfully disagree. No V-8's
I know, I'll Gow my way, You Gow yours It's a same period car that probably got updated from 4 Cyl. to V8
That's a good reply, has anyone sat down and come up with the features that make a "correct" Gow Job? When was the first and last period built car? Bob
I don't think you can nail it down to a specific time frame. Look at the Aldrich car at the '49 Salt Flats. That's way later than the period were generally speaking of (approx early thirties, and earlier). I am by no means an expert or claim to be though. But the minute a V-8 goes in, I'm going to split hairs and terminology and claim it's a bona fide Hot Rod.
Upgrades(Major) are one thing, retaining most of it's heritage with subtle upgrades is another. It's like taking a traditional '33 Coupe and giving it to Kindig. It's not the same. Heck, look at the Kookie Car with it's as found so called upgrades from its original Grabowski build. It's just not the same.
Again, strictly my opinion, so others like Mr. Williamson don't have to taunt me with Private Messages.
Have a great day.
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I agree with @guitarguy
Gow was a term that generally meant "hot rod" in the pre-war era, but most people today are using it to cover cars built in the early '30s style with tall-and-skinny wheels and four-cylinder engines. That's what @David Mazza meant when he started this thread and there are plenty of other places to show off late-'30s style hot irons with 16-inch wheels, V-8's and the like.
Chad, I was trying to bond a bit with my Johnny Smith guitar question in the private message, in no way was I "Taunting" you, things are "Cool" at my end, hope they are with you too. John Williamson
Bob, I Think (believe) also the features just like the use of the term Gow are very subjective. I think alot of terms get thrown around nowadays a little too liberally. Example, you don't paint your ride with shiny paint, most general John Q Public will walk up and go "hey, nice Rat Rod"....as you cringe trying to restrain yourself from stampeding them.
We had a pretty good conversation about these types of builds on the trip back from Lang's. If you look at what really seems to fit the terminology via old pictures....again to me, I think (believe) they contain the following:
They are usually open cars (Tourings, cut off tourings, roadsters of 1930 or earlier)
Typically no fenders / running boards (Sorry Bigcheese)
They typically have their stock engine, but often hopped up.
To go along with that, usually is a 4 cyl or possibly 6 cyl depending on make.
Typically contain wheels of 18" or larger
Stock(ish) rear axles
Stock suspensions, but often interchanged parts in this area usually for improvement.
Often lowered via various methods.
Often not very flashy looking, just stripped down and basic.
Im open to suggestions to the list. David and I have agreed our builds have some borderline features, but they are more Gow than not. I also believe Gows bridge the gap between old Speedsters and newer Hot Rods.
To me, two very well known and Iconic cars that meet my criteria, The Multi Aldrich roadster and Clayton Paddison's roadster.
Sounds like if there were a cut off date it'd be 1931.
Hey man, apologize to Gabby Garrison and Bob Wilcox, not me!
More like 1934, though certainly plenty of examples were found past that date (see the $25 car earlier). It's just like you still see Pro Street '80s cars around, though few are building them at this point.
My 26T "Gin Runner" finally got it running after too long in storage. Ive got a 2 speed Ruckstell to fit and a full set of 21" wires and road tyres to go on. the dirt bike tyres are for playing about on the farm!
Motor is stock '26 T with A manifolds and a 1.25" SU carb, Texas T dizzy and ally pistons. Plan is to continue to refine and hop up but keep it pre 1930 in looks and main components. Im looking for a brass bodied SU of the same size to replace the 1960's one I'm using just now.
A beautiful day here in the Berkshires. Guitar guy got stuff done on his and so did I! Got turtle deck off and started taking the rest apart but ran into a snag. Someone in the past welded the panels together in fairly hidden places. So taking this tub apart will take time and patience. Also requiring loud power tools to grind welds limits work so I dont wake the napping toddler! Also started getting rear axle housings ready for blast and a bath. Had to grind rivets to remove the backing plates.
This one appears to have an octa gain water injection unit installed?
Can you point out where you are seeing that? Looking closely at the photo, I see a cylinder above the head that I don't recognize, but I kinda took it to be an AC-style air cleaner unit on a down-draft carburetor.
4 to GOW, 8 to PLOW
Wish I could say I have gotten stuff done but I am in a funky tired procrastination mood. But I did run across one I haven’t posted so here’s one more gow not seen on this thread yet!
Fancy, found it on the web somewere. Bob
What an awesome little car!
Thats Bob Estes car.
^^^^^ Thanks studebakerjoe, is that T still around? Bob
Bob, don't know if it is. I believe Estes pulled the engine at some point and put it in a race car. If I recall correctly it had an SR Fronty head on it.
David, was that at Lindseys farm cruise in Shedd?
Looks like the T that I saw at Pauls get together at his place near Woodburn, if it is he had an old motorcycle displayed in the bed, a very cool car.
The story goes, as related by Dean Batchelor, that Estes was arrested and the judge ordered the car sold.
It's probably in a deep basement someplace in LA. Clark Gable's long-forgotten secret underground garage.
Turned the giant crate into a thanksgiving table. Thanks because I was able to reuse my lumber and all the screws from the crate! Now to get some main body skills and rear sill from ford wood and start put body back together on my new frame table! Happy thanksgiving everybody!!
Nice looking frame, if that is freshly blasted get some primer on it. Happy Thanksgiving! Bob
The frame is in primer just for protection right now. Got frame level on stand and securely strapped down. Got the body up on chassis for the first time. This way the whole thing is mobile and I can roll it outside for room when needed this winter. Also now able to look at lower section of body better. It’s gonna need up to four inches replaced in some sections. Hopefully just the lower flange in others.
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