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Projects Summit crate 350 - nightmare

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by striper, Oct 13, 2020.

  1. 40FORDPU
    Joined: Mar 15, 2009
    Posts: 3,100

    from Yelm, Wa
    1. Northwest HAMBers

    We can all speculate on the how, who, where, but the bottom line you've already recourse.
    Sucks to be sure, but putting it behind you the sooner the better is now your best course of action.
    Good luck with the rest of your build, and thanks for posting, so we can all form our possibly new opinion of Summit and GM, and formulate how/if we deal with them in the future.
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  2. 1971BB427
    Joined: Mar 6, 2010
    Posts: 6,899

    from Oregon

    You mentioned it was in plastic? Was the plastic over the crate, or over the engine inside the crate? If the engine was wrapped in plastic, inside the crate, I'm amazed that fresh water found it's way under the plastic, and in such a large quantity to put a couple gallons inside the engine?
    It looks like it sat outside with no plastic covering it for a long period.
  3. bchctybob
    Joined: Sep 18, 2011
    Posts: 3,089


    Two words; flood damage.
    Scoggin-Dickie is in Texas and over the last couple years they’ve had hurricanes, heavy rain and flooding in several parts of the state. Even if S-D isn’t in a flood zone it may have been on a truck or in a remote depot that was. The outside dries in the hot Texas sun and no one notices. I’m not sure who would be responsible. Other than sabotage, which seems unlikely, that’s the only way that much water could penetrate the packaging.
    At least it appears to be salvageable and you’ll have the piece of mind of knowing exactly what’s inside your engine when you put it into service. It’s still a piss off though.

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  4. That amount of water is not from some condensation. I agree it is from another source, and bchctybob's suggestion of flooded warehouse could be right. Can you see any water damage line on the shipping crate, or on the plastic bag wrapping the engine? Flood would leave some evidence.
    I'm sorry for your problem and being half way around the world makes it easy for a company or companies to just blow you off, when you in fact have a legit claim.
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  5. harpo1313
    Joined: Jan 4, 2008
    Posts: 2,254

    from wareham,ma

    My opinion is that that motor sat outside for a long time. water sat on the intake deep enough and long enough to seep down the gaskets and rust the tops of all the ports and the rust flake around the exposed edges tell the tale of the time sat, I dont see the bag near the crate , was it covered? was it disturbed when you first opened it? Could of been a return? The crates I have had [2] they were bagged very good. Sucks either way ,but i wouldnt give up , even though its traveled through too many folks, good luck,
  6. Tman
    Joined: Mar 2, 2001
    Posts: 34,431


    Wow! That pan was FULL.
  7. mkubacak
    Joined: Jun 20, 2005
    Posts: 199


    Scoggin-Dickie is in Lubbock. That is about 500 miles from the Gulf. It is about 3200' in elevation. Lubbock receives about 15" of rain a year.

    It sucks that this happened, About the only way you will ever know for sure is if some miracle camera footage surfaces.
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  8. krylon32
    Joined: Jan 29, 2006
    Posts: 7,398

    Alliance Vendor
    from Nebraska

    I've had several of the GM crate engines and they have all been inside a plastic covering inside a wooden crate. I suspect sabotage especially since it's fresh water and not salt water. I suspect some asshole along the way with a grudge against someone did the deed.
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  9. jim snow
    Joined: Feb 16, 2007
    Posts: 1,279

    jim snow

    X2. Snowman
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  10. Fortunateson
    Joined: Apr 30, 2012
    Posts: 4,122


    That is indeed bullshit. But I'm curious as to why you bought an engine from Summit. Is there no dealers in Oz that could have provided an engine? It's not like it is an exotic.
  11. 56sedandelivery
    Joined: Nov 21, 2006
    Posts: 6,695

    Member Emeritus

    I'm just curious; are't there any "G.M. Dealers" in Australia that sell these "crate engines"? Meaning could you have just bought one there, and thereby avoided ALL of this? Not faulting you at all however!!! IF the block needs to be bored, I can help you out with some NEW, NOS, forged, 2 valve relief, FOR EXPORT ONLY, .030 over pistons, and you can have them for shipping costs only. I bought two sets of these FOR EXPORT ONLY pistons, and was going to buy the remaining set, but someone beat me to those. They don't make these pistons any longer, unless you go with the specialty aftermarket. Just doing my part to help out a fellow HAMBER. I'll send you a P.M.
    I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
  12. Fortunateson
    Joined: Apr 30, 2012
    Posts: 4,122


    Hey Butch, if you send them make sure they are triple wrapped in plastic and placed in an absolutely watertight container...
  13. I've never seen anything like that before. My opinion is that something extraordinary has happened. We can all guess but I don't think anyone will have a concrete answer. It's a shame that you are without recourse. Best wishes in your outcome.
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  14. 56sedandelivery
    Joined: Nov 21, 2006
    Posts: 6,695

    Member Emeritus

    That's a given, but they'd probably go as air cargo due to the size. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
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  15. Flathead Dave
    Joined: Mar 21, 2014
    Posts: 3,386

    Flathead Dave
    from So. Cal.

    I know that when I shipped a few things to Australia, the items sat at the shipper in a shipping container for months until they got a load big enough to ship.
    It's cringe worthy to think about the items sitting in a uncontrolled environment for a period of time for shipping. It's drop and store at most shippers.
    But yours looks more like sabotage.
    Good luck with it.
  16. flatheadpete
    Joined: Oct 29, 2003
    Posts: 10,189

    from Burton, MI

    I sold a couple axes (side-hobby) to a guy in Canada. Shipped from Michigan Feb 10, 2020. He got them this past weekend....7 months! Thank goodness I over-packed them and they were undamaged and rust free. Just goes to show that even though they didn't go very far, they sat god knows where for a long time waiting to get sent to the destination....
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  17. Summit & GM are on my "Do Not Buy From" list if they don't step up. Was it insured? if so by who?
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  18. ididntdoit1960
    Joined: Dec 13, 2011
    Posts: 1,013

    from Western MA

    An ongoing saga on a mustang board Im on.......guy orders a 300hp 302 ford from blueprint - arrives with rust on the machined surfaces - bluprint blamed being bagged too soon after the dyno break in and sent him a new motor COMPLETLY ON THEIR DIME - the second motor arrived the SAME WAY - blueprint jumped on the thread and has promised to make it right with an upgraded engine - again on their dime......I know, a different situation - but they could have told him to pound sand the first time......sorry for your problem, sucks to have to rebuild a new engine
  19. BJR
    Joined: Mar 11, 2005
    Posts: 6,993


    I guess we can all learn something from this.... If you ship a motor anywhere leave the oil pan drain plug out. If a disgruntled employee pours water in it it runs out, rain while stored outside, it runs out, mice, will not fit through the drain plug hole. And I feel your pain, it sucks to spend a lot of money on a new motor that you have to rebuild.
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  20. I find it difficult to believe Summit
    Had anything to do with your problem.
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  21. Not GM dealers, but multiple independent suppliers.
  22. scrap metal 48
    Joined: Sep 6, 2009
    Posts: 6,075

    scrap metal 48

    Was it a brand new crate engine from GM and sold through Summit or a remanufactured engine sold through Summit but remanufactured by one of the many builders that supply both Summit and Jegs and others????
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  23. striper
    Joined: Mar 22, 2005
    Posts: 4,498


    Thanks for the posts guys. I’m not expecting anything out of posting this other than a warning to others, venting about my predicament and some entertainment for you all.

    To answer a few questions:
    I bought from Summit because I was shipping a C10 from the US and I loaded the bed with parts to save shipping. I’ve bought a fair bit from them before, but never again.

    I could have bought locally at double the money. Probably about even now.

    The engine was in plastic inside a timber crate. I didn’t inspect the plastic when I opened it up, just took a knife and cut the bag off.

    The international part of the shipping was in a sealed container and it shipped pretty quickly once it reached the docks. This most likely happened before it left the US.

    The only insurance was for total loss while at sea.

    I should probably clarify that these engines are shipped without an intake so they rely heavily on the plastic wrapping to be done properly and to be intact.

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  24. Truck64
    Joined: Oct 18, 2015
    Posts: 4,744

    from Ioway

    One would think a crate motor in general, especially one destined for 'Strya, would be sealed up. What were they thinking?
  25. blowby
    Joined: Dec 27, 2012
    Posts: 7,746

    from Nicasio Ca

    Couldn't the water be tested for tap water vs. rain water vs. flood water.. maybe even the area it came from.

    But it sounds like you're over it.
  26. my guess you paid for it with a credit card or paypal? Do a dispute on it, chances are you will probably get your money back
  27. I've bought a few crate engines through Summit. Definitely will be rethinking that in the future. Even if I 'am stateside.

    Sorry you have to deal with this. No one should have to.
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  28. panhead_pete
    Joined: Feb 22, 2006
    Posts: 2,695


    Im not sure why Summit could be expected to step up here as its been through way too many hands after it left their wharehouse. Perhaps if they had shipped it direct to the OP but blaming them in this instance seems somewhat unfair. Having shipped quite a few bikes, cars and parts ex USA in my experience anything could have happened. I had a 3W 32 body with no floor and doors removed packed vertically on its cowl.... just so the shipper could sneak a 3rd party person's bike in and that was with one of the reputable shippers out of LA. In that same shipment there were several engines on pallets that had been clearly stored outside which resulted in cleaning costs.
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  29. doyoulikesleds
    Joined: Jul 12, 2014
    Posts: 293


    Why would you blame them it has been through what 4 shippers and more miles on a boat than most cars on here are run in a year or two
  30. striper
    Joined: Mar 22, 2005
    Posts: 4,498


    Yes, credit card purchase. But there’s obviously been a fair bit of time pass in this adventure. It’s probably worth asking the question though.

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