Stout 4-Speed. Which is best?

Now, like I mentioned before, get yourself a Doug Nash 4 speed if you want a stick and want it to last.

 

Liberty is near me.. I also know someone that works there....

 

Too throw my two cents in I'd probably run a Super T-10 if I was gonna run a factory 4 speed. They are stouter than most Muncies (except maybe a M-22 Rockcrusher-and there is a reason they're called Rpckcrushers). I'm pretty sure you have to do some modifications to make the A833 imput shaft work in a GM product. Kinda foggy there though.

But, if I were gonna pick any street manual transmission for an "old" car, it would be the Richmond 5 speed.

 

You saved me the trouble of posting the same request. Probably like those engines that are talked about at the drive in when there is no way to prove you've even got 100. the last 600 hp Poncho I saw was in the GTO of Don Gay when the blower on his match racer deposited the crankshaft on the finish line of Indianapolis Raceway Park in 1965.
Did I ever tell you guys about the 5 hp Briggs and Stratton I built up to well over 50 hp so I could do my customers lawns faster in 1957? You should have been there it was really something.

Frank

 

By the time you do the upgrades the stock trans. you will have the price of a Doug Nash-Richmond in it and less trans.

 

that's what i was suggesting pages ago...

its all good

 

You just posted this on post #57.

My answer to you is on post #60.

I think we all get your pointless point! You don't need to repeat it!

 

Thanks guys! At least we're on the same page.

 

I dont know if a Doug Nash 4+1 would be stronger than an 18 spline HEMI trans.....

 

Richmond bought Doug Nash, their 4+1 is rated at 450 ft.lbs. of torque. They make a transmission that is rated at 600 ft.lbs. torque, but I'll bet the price would bring most folks to their knees. Just looked, $3700.00 or so, out of my league but not as bad as I thought. They also sell new Super T-10 4 speeds for around $1600.00

 

Well it beats the 5 grand for a street Lenco and only a little more than my 700R4 automatic.

The reason why I'm mentioning a Doug Nash tranny is because it would be closer to a tranny that would have been used back in the day.

That '68 Firebird had one up until a year or two ago. Unfortunately my buddy, that owns the car, wanted to run faster and with more consistancy so he went to the dark side and installed a TH400. Too bad, you should see him shift!

 

G-Force

 

An 18 spline HEMI trans from Brewers all rebuilt costs 2k

 

Yeah, G Force is the name I was trying to think of.

 

Borg Super T-10 cheap and works have one behind 500hp, But no trans will last if you dont use it right

 

ive heard alot of good things about muncies. i picked my m20 up for 500 bucks, obviously you would need an m22. im not sure what there going for right now ? 1200 ish ?

 

I know 2 people who bought new Richmond 5 speeds and don't shift too well. They are not happy and complained to Richmond about it, didn't get good answers. Also it has been reported that Sox and Martin secretly ran a Ford Top loader behind there Hemi, cus was better than A833.



Ago

 

There are some big H/P Pontiacs out there nowadays ….. don be to quick to dismiss them

 

This link is for the nay-sayers and doubters of the Poncho's abilities....note the 596.5 torque at 4900 rpm. This is the basis for my 650hp PONTIAC! Need I remind you this is naturally aspirated and on 93 octane.

http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/tech/hppp_0809_pump_gas_pounder_pontiac_tech/viewall.html

 

If you wanna go Old School,get you a clutch turbo 400!!! That's old school..............

 

I would agree on the Hemi trans If I wanted a beefy trans to abuse. I am too poor to afford much of anything, so I threw a Saginaw 4 speed in my 59 El camino, 11:1 427, 50 bucks from a swap meet, and another in my 55 Stude, 327,340 horse vette spec motor, this Trans was the most expensive one I ever bought, 72 dollars from the pick and pull, out of a 79 pontiac (Monza clone) I bought 5 for backup, 50 bucks or less. I don't drive either a lot, but I am not gentle with them when I do 6 years later, i have 5 dusty backup transmissions, I'm on my second rear carrier in the 59 after shattering the spider gears, and some worn bushings in the shifters, which cost more than the trannies. Just sayin.

 

And I was thinking the same thing when I posted. Not what he asked, but probably the right answer...

 

A TKO 5 speed rated at 600 lbs of torque is about 2300 bucks.Some say they shift a bit notchy..So get one from a performance tranny shop with upgrades for about 200 more bucks.
Brand new Muncie type 4 speeds that are upgraded to handle more power are also available for the same price.

 

Then you want a 5 or 6 speed. The 4 speed 1-1 top gear will keep you reving too high on the freeway unless you gear it too tall in the rear. Having an overdrive top gear will make sure you enjoy the car more often.

 

I ran a Muncie for a couple years in my gasser with a 400+hp motor with no problems. I use a Autogear 4spd now behind my 600hp motor with no problems for 3 years.

 

like i said before, it all depends on the weight of the car, clutch slippage, and traction.

A hard grabbing clutch, brutal traction, heavy weight and torque will make even a HEMI trans shit it's guts out.

 

What Dane said - these days with highway speeds, you really want to drop the revs when cruising for all sorts of reasons.
5 or 6 speeds will allow you to run a decent gear so you can use 600 hp when ya wanna without tiring out all those nags while you're cruising.
Cheers.

 

Has anyone said Doug Nash 4plus1 ?

Great tranny and strong !

I have one if you want to pm me about it.....

 

Doug Nash sold out to Richmond a long time ago (80's maybe??). The Richmond 5 speed is the same transmission.

 

Yeah, he sold out so he could devote more time to trying to patch things up with Stephen Stills and David Crosby, man.