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Spring in front of axle front suspension?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by dsiddons, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. dsiddons
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    Seems to be alot of 37'ish front axle assemblies out there to be had. (ive seen three recently) I was wondering if anyone setup their Hot Rod with one of these type of front axles?
     
  2. Dreddybear
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    The Khougaz Roadster is spring-in-front. And I hold that to be one of the baddest cars around..
     
  3. pasadenahotrod
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    Many old hotrods were built with 35-48 spring in front suspensions. A few are being built this way today. Nothing is new except that Ford suspension in 1935... then it was old.
     
  4. dsiddons
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    Don Ferrara's roadster is one of my all time favorite. I'll have to search the Khougaz roadster.
     
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  5. el Scotto
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    I love this one!!
     
  6. flatheadpete
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    100%!! Khougaz was is and will always be one of the coolest....and I normally hate channelled Deuce roadsters.
     
  7. dsiddons
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    I like this idea. But I need that crossmember free for the radiator and grill shell. Is that a 40 or 41' axle?
     
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  9. dsiddons
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    So what's the best year axle assembly to use?
     
  10. Don's Hot Rods
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    Anything from 37-48 will pretty much be similar. One thing to remember though is that doing this shortens the WB by about 6 inches unless you move the perch out further.

    Don
     
  11. Dreddybear
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    Here's a good shot of the front of the Khougaz car..

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  12. Dreddybear
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    This bitchin coupe has it too..

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  13. chopper cliff
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    some turn them around and use them as spring hangers in the rear, after you whack off the wishbone and shape it a little it actually look's good, Ivo did it and I have seen it on several cars, mostly buckets
     
  14. dana barlow
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    I made my own shackles and used the modal A spring back in the late 50's,but ya.
    she was power by 292Y-block ford,I was working on motor at photo time.
    yes it is a bobtailed 28 roadster
     

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  15. porknbeaner
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    I think one of the things that we miss in our modern build mind set is that with the pring in front of the axle you can adjust the ride height slightly by lengthing the shackles like on a boat fender foad with the spring behind the rear axle.

    I also like the look if the axle being slid back a bit because of the set up it makes the grill shell look like you moved it forward. Changes the whole profile without really changing anything but the suspension.

    Scotto,
    Love the bucket BTW. it could use a little paint by my way of thinking but if you give it a good hard look it has a lot going on besides the front suspension. Friend of yours or just a pic you snagged at a show?
     
  16. Harms Way
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  17. Ned Ludd
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    X2 ... and I normally hate grille shells relocated forwards.
     
  18. chopt top kid
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    I think they look fine as long as you're putting them under a '35-'48 ford...:rolleyes:
     
  19. richie rebel
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    the spring in front is call a suicide front end,not that theirs any thing wrong with it......
     
  20. Dreddybear
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    That's when the spring is hanging out there all by itself with a mount that, if it breaks, has nothing to stop the car from plowing. These are all examples of factory ford type spring-behind setups..
     
  21. No it is not. A suicide front end is one w/o frame horns to catch things if the spring breaks, spring in front CAN be but isn't ALWAYS suicide. :rolleyes:
     
  22. Dreddybear
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    I don't think the grille shell is pushed forward, that's an illusion due to the decreased wheelbase of the spring behind setup. In person this car has spot on proportions.
     
  23. bgaro
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    mine is setup simular to this, but the spring is mounted under the A crossmember instead of a suicide perch. it frees up room for a shell and the rad sits ontop of the cross member.
     
  24. Im going to have to give this set-up another look.
    I need to move my crossmember forward to gain some blower pulley room. That's increasing my wheel base and I'm not crazy about it.

    This will probably will push my grille too far past the tires and then I won't like that. Uughhh

    On another note

    Id like to see a pic of a spring behind that is not suicide style, and a pic of a spring in front that is suicide style.
     
  25. Crankhole
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    Let's not forget the Isky T...
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  26. Don's Hot Rods
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    Well, it does sort of move the radiator visually forward somewhat because if you mount the spring directly under the radiator it has to move the axle centerline back 6 inches. The cars that were shown with the spring in front sure don't look bad though, although most people say to look right the axle centerline should be directly in line with the radiator. Guess that is what makes hot rodding hot rodding, even the rules can sometimes be ignored and the results can be spectacular. :)

    Don
     
  27. Ned Ludd
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    The axle is moved back in relation to the grille shell, which is almost the same as moving the shell forwards and then shortening the frame the same amount. That's what I usually don't like, but this one looks good. I think it's the frame-horn fairing that ties everything together.
     
  28. dana barlow
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    From 1959 too now,this one has always had 1948 front set up,the spring is less leafs an revers eye,but front of axles. Powered by Y-Block Ford Thunderbird
    CrandonPark1.jpg
     
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