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solid lifter cam oil question

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by hostaking, Nov 8, 2007.

  1. hostaking
    Joined: Dec 16, 2006
    Posts: 16


    Hello, I just broke in my 265 now 283 chevy with duntov cam and Isky edm solid lifters. I used 15-40 shell rotella oil, Isky cam and lifter paste, and Crane camshaft break in lube. I ran it at 2000-2500 for 30 minutes. Can anyone reccomend a brand of oil that would help protect the cam and lifters now that zinc has been removed from most oils? Thanks
  2. saltflatrat
    Joined: Nov 6, 2007
    Posts: 14


    Some might disagree with me but I would suggest amsoil. It is a synthetic and I have used it in all of the race motors that we build in the shop and have never and I repeat never had a bit of trouble with either the break in process or longevity of the engines under the most severe of punishment.
  3. skumbag
    Joined: Feb 16, 2005
    Posts: 688


    i run Rotella all the time.

  4. TagMan
    Joined: Dec 12, 2002
    Posts: 6,198


    Shell Rotella T has had no zinc for a year or so, at least.

  5. pool
    Joined: Jun 24, 2005
    Posts: 318


    BRAD PENN enough said. pool
  6. willysguy
    Joined: Oct 2, 2007
    Posts: 1,216

    from Canada

    My engine builder friend had 2 solid lifter motors that had premature cam failures this year. After investigating he found out ash and zinc have been removed. GM has an oil additive to replace it.(Available at dealers) You should also run a 20/50 weight oil.
  7. Mr. Creosote
    Joined: Feb 27, 2006
    Posts: 275

    Mr. Creosote

    Im gona start a solid lifter mill for the first time maybe this weekend. I bought Valvoline Racing VR1 oil. It says it contains ZDDP on the label. Plus I will add a bottle of their oil treatment for the inital breakin. Ill probably do my changes with the same oil.
  8. raven
    Joined: Aug 19, 2002
    Posts: 4,660


    Redline oil will work for solid lifter cams.
  9. turdytoo
    Joined: May 14, 2007
    Posts: 1,569


    Maybe OT but don't I remember something about early SBC needing a notch or flat spot on the rear cam journal to lube the distributor gear? It's hell to get old and only remember part of this stuff.
  10. skumbag
    Joined: Feb 16, 2005
    Posts: 688


    well....i run it in my 265, with solid lifters and havent had any problems...

  11. skumbag
    Joined: Feb 16, 2005
    Posts: 688


    who's BRAD PENN?:confused:
  12. jonny o
    Joined: Oct 26, 2007
    Posts: 836

    jonny o

    My motor guru had me add a quart of lucas oil stabilizer to my old mechanical cam motor. I'm in love with the stuff now.
  13. Russco
    Joined: Nov 27, 2005
    Posts: 4,246

    from Central IL

    Here is an oil analysis done recently from a motorcycle using rottela T it does have Zinc in it maybe reduced from previous formulas but its still there

    Basic Information
    Bike: 2007 Honda GL1800 Goldwing (shared sump wet clutch design)
    Miles on unit: 6,386
    Miles on oil: 2,724
    Months on oil: 2 months (June and July) <-- Avg outside temps: 95 to 110 degrees F.
    Oil: Shell Rotella T 15W-40 CJ-4 Triple Protection
    Filter: Honda OEM
    Lab: Blackstone

    Aluminum: 6
    Chromium: 0
    Iron: 12
    Copper: 20
    Lead: 1
    Tin: 0
    Molybdenum: 17
    Nickel: 0
    Manganese: 0
    Silver: 1
    Titanium: 0
    Potassium: 0
    Boron: 20
    Silicon: 8
    Sodium: 3
    Calcium: 2021
    Magnesium: 16
    Phosphorus: 868
    Zinc: 1085
    Barium: 1

    Sus@210F (should be 68 - 78): 69.5
    FlashInF (should be > 390): 390
    Fuel&#37; (should be < 2.0): trace
    Antifreeze% (should be 0): 0
    Water% (should be < 0.1): 0
    Insolubles% (should be < 0.6): 0.2

    TBN (started out ~10.1): 6.1
    Im still using it and just broke my new motor in on it and Comp cams suggests using it for break in as well
  14. Valvoline Racing Oil has more of those lubricants than the Shell. I use 20/50 in everything.
  15. skumbag
    Joined: Feb 16, 2005
    Posts: 688


  16. Brad Penn is supposed to be high in Zinc etc..

    Check the codes on the Rotella.
    The newer stuff isn't as good.

    If you are lucky,you can find some of the old GM EOS.
    GM had to pull it from the shelves.
    The replacement EOS is coming,chances are it won't be as good as the original.
  17. Paul2748
    Joined: Jan 8, 2003
    Posts: 2,239


    I heard that STP red (4 cyl) is very high in zinc. The Lucas additive is also supposed to be good.
  18. STP red is decent,but not easy to find.
    EOS is has a LOT more Zinc.
  19. johnnykck
    Joined: Dec 22, 2005
    Posts: 1,025


    Valvoline VR 1 Racing oil, it comes in 10w30,20w50 or 30,40,50 and 60 weight.

    zinc : 1300 ppm
    phosphorus : 1200 ppm
    calcium : 2500 ppm

    STP in the red bottle (four cylinder formula) has lot's of ZDDP (zinc) and you can buy it at any Checkers/Chucks/Kragens.
  20. Flat Ernie
    Joined: Jun 5, 2002
    Posts: 8,406

    Flat Ernie
    Tech Editor

    Brad Penn is the old Kendall green. Kendall was bought out by Conoco-Phillips several years ago, kept the Kendall name, but not the refinery. Refinery still operates & is probably the best mineral oil out there...

    I'd buy it if I could get it locally...
  21. aerorocket
    Joined: Oct 25, 2007
    Posts: 488

    from N.E. P.A.

    I have 6 cases of Arco 20w50 graphite motor oil. We used to use it in the gearcase of our racing outboards; nothing worked better. Does anyone Know how this would work for cam break in as it has extremely high shear properties? It is metallic black in color so you can't see any bearing problems from looking at the oil. Graphite is a conductor so plugs fowel quick if your engine uses oil. Its ability to combat wear were superior to any other oil of that period, however it was not at all compatible with cat converters. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. thanks
    Joined: Nov 22, 2005
    Posts: 7,591

    from SIDNEY, NY

    E.O.S. is gone, and it ain't comin' back.
  23. side_valve
    Joined: Sep 22, 2002
    Posts: 835

    Alliance Vendor

  24. krooser
    Joined: Jul 25, 2004
    Posts: 4,584


    Amsoil is good...Brad Penn is good...
  25. dave lewis
    Joined: Dec 12, 2006
    Posts: 1,373

    dave lewis
    from Nampa ID

    This months hot rod ( with dale jr on the cover) has an article about cup racing teams... side bar has info about the shell sponsored team that quotes a shell engineer saying rotella has loads of zinc. IMO rotella or delo400 ( any diesel rated oil) has to be better for high performance use because diesel engines have issues... 1,high compression.2,high contamination....any oil that can handle 24 to 1 comp and dilution gets my vote.
    personal favorite is valvlone all fleet 15/40. it's hard to find though so i use delo 400 ( cosco stocks it, in gallon jugs )
    dave ;-)
  26. Flat Ernie
    Joined: Jun 5, 2002
    Posts: 8,406

    Flat Ernie
    Tech Editor

    Effective 1 Jan 07, new formulation diesel oils had to reduce the zinc levels. You can spot these as rated CJ-4 - older oils are CI-4/CI-4+
  27. FWilliams
    Joined: Apr 24, 2001
    Posts: 1,984


    I have Brad Penn available also, for those in the Seattle area.

    Joined: Jan 4, 2003
    Posts: 251

    from lynnweed

  29. Paul2748
    Joined: Jan 8, 2003
    Posts: 2,239


    EOS is gone - GM has discontinued it. Any body know what the MOPAR equivalent name is - supposed to be as good as EOS
  30. Paul2748
    Joined: Jan 8, 2003
    Posts: 2,239


    All diesel oils went through a formula revision effective 1/1/07. Less zinc in all of them. I wonder how old this quote is.

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