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Technical Snow White Water Pump SBF

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 4wd1936, May 18, 2021.

  1. 4wd1936
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    Does anyone know of anything similar to the snow white water pump made for SBF? It appears they are no longer produced/available and I thought possibly someone is making something similar. For those not familiar with the unit the pump was about two inches shorter making for more radiator clearance. Thanks!
     
  2. V-belt or serpentine belt rotation?
     
  3. oldiron 440
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    The Explorer pump is shorter but reverse rotation.
     
  4. 4wd1936
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    In this case we need to stay with the v-belt, clockwise rotation. Thanks!
     

  5. Johnny Gee
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    Last edited: May 18, 2021
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  6. If I am not mistaken the original Snow White kit for Ford's used a OPEL water pump.

    I believe Speedway Motors still list the Snow White kit.

    CORRECTION, they are no longer in stock. HRP
     
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  7. telecaster_6
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    Thats unfortunate they are discontinued. I have two of them, one on a 351w and one on a 351c. Yes, high flow opel water pumps on them.
     
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  8. 4wd1936
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    Thanks for all the help, it appears these are now almost unobtanium. It's probably not all that easy to find an Opel water pump either. If anyone has one on the shelf I'd like to buy one as it has to be easier than moving the engine back. Our engine is a 72 302. Thanks again.
     
  9. 4wd1936
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    Thanks so much for that info. My math says that is about $300 in US funds, is that correct?
     
  10. Jmountainjr
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    The Snow White SBC wayer pump riser, similar to the Zipps, also used an Opel pump. They don't seem to be hard to find.
     
  11. Yesterday I think $0.78 USD = $1 AUD.

    My online currency converter says $299.80, so yes, you are on the money;)
     
  12. Beanscoot
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    Here's a brief rundown on those pumps referenced above:

    1) Snow White pump from Speedway:
    2 groove, 2" shorter than stock.
    Important Messages
    • This product is discontinued.

    2) Castlemaine Rod Shop (Australia) Windsor Short Water Pump:
    25mm (sic) shorter. $385 Australian [ca. $300 US plus shipping]

    3) CVF Racing ebay pump:
    1-1/2" shorter than stock.
    $145 inc. shipping to USA.
    Made in USA.

    Edit: Add the Ford option Dedsoto referred to.
    4) Ford Racing M-8501-E351S
    Appears to be same or almost the same as 3).
    $146 plus shipping from Summit.
     
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  14. 4wd1936
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    Thanks to Beanscoot and Dedsoto. It appears that these two pumps may be the same and certainly would work. The problem which certainly could be rectified is that the inlet on my engine and now also on the new still in the box Walker radiator is on the passenger side. I certainly could move the outlet on the new radiator although I hate to mess with the new unit. If push comes to shove that may be the only solution. Still hoping someone might have a snow white item on the shelf before the sawzall comes out. What a great source of info this site is. Thanks again
     
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  15. continentaljohn
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    I have always used the ford Motorsport pumps and were available long before it was copied by others. In fact the first waterpump I got no pullies were available and had to machine my own. If your going to run a alternator look for a A/c smog pump bracket for a early bronco 71-77. This bracket is great for mounting the alt very low on the passenger side and out of sight.
     
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  16. 4wd1936
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    Thanks for that tip John, strangely enough this engine originally came from a 72 Bronco and I still have that bracket. Thanks again.
     
  17. continentaljohn
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    Awesome do you have the pullys for the setup? And hope you also have the bronco:D
     
  18. 4wd1936
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    I still have the pulleys. The axles, etc. are under my avatar, started as a 72 Bronco with 600 miles that didn't handle well enough to stay upright, now has 145k miles. Yeah, I know, if I had only known then what I know now but back then I probably had twenty of those broncos. Hindsight etc. etc.
     
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  19. continentaljohn
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    The pullies are different on the short pump but not sure if they made them factory as the factory application came with a segment belt.
    Yeah been driving a first gen bronco for 30 years and still have a bone stock 66 1/2 cab
     
  20. 4wd1936
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    Thanks to everyone for the help. Went to CVF for the Ford pump as suggested and all the pulleys, not a cheap date but the older I get the less time I have for looking for things like pulleys. BTW the folks at CVF were very helpful, pleasant and sound like they have a clue, all very rare today. Thanks again!
     
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