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  1. loudbang
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    No sorry I don't know :(
     
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    Interesting mechanicals. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    1964 Jim Sivenpiper, from Buffalo, NY, and money buddy brother Dan fashioned this slick sidewinder. The S&M Speed Shop product was Chrysler Hemi-powered, featuring very clean construction. At the 1964 Nationals, where these images were taken, it bogged at the starting line and failed to qualify. The chain-drive hauler ultimately ran low 9s at 170mph.

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  4. Jet96
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    Man those things show a lot of creative thinking. Thanks Loudbang!
     
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    Bonus photo from the Eric Rickman photo thread: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/eric-rickman-photos-for-hot-rod.1171038/

    Builder Kent Fuller Demonstrates The Advantageous Weight Distribution Of The High Tech Magwinder For Owner Chuck Jones. The Entire Chassis And Most Of The Body Were Built From Magnesium By Fuller And Wayne Ewing. Construction Photos Appeared In An NHRA Nationals Preview Of Race Cars Purportedly Heading To Detroit, Although This Was Not Among The Entrants.

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    1964 There were a number of Pontiac Tempest 4-banger sidewinder dragsters built, including Norm Leonard’s 262ci example from the 1964 Bakersfield March Meet. The Tempest engine featured an Isky cam, Hilborn injection, and Scott fuel pump; and was chain-driven. Best time was 10.87.

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    Xi wonder what these solid back axle dragster handled like ?
     
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  8. Looks like VW wheels (mounted backwards) and VW hubs on that 4-cylinder Tempest dragster.
     
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  9. KevKo
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    i wonder what these solid back axle dragster handled like ?
    Great in a straight line. But I'd guess those short wheelbase cars didn't often go straight.
     
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    1961: Ted Cyr and Emery Cook were staples of drag racing, winning the 1958 NHRA Nationals. For 1961 they concocted this strange-even-for-sidewinders dragster.

    Former NHRA Director of Competition Steve Gibbs has described it as an “evil handling experiment.” The nitro small block Chevy spun a direct-drive setup incorporating a driveshaft geared off of a V-drive into the odd side-slung quickchange, in an obvious attempt to experiment with gear ratios.

    Transferring torque from the quickchange to the right side slick must have created some twist, creating potential spooky runs.

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    Horizontally opposed four cylinder engines have real good primary balance, as the pairs of pistons moving opposite each other cancel the forces of each other, just like the air cooled Volkswagen. Refer to the image below of a 100ci McCullogh drone reciprocating assembly. In this image the two cylinders on the right would fire simultaneously, then 180 crank degrees later the left two would fire. When they fire the paired pistons/rods are basically pushing against each other which results in very little vibration.
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    1961 The Stu’s AE Transmission sidewinder from Long Beach, California. One of the only automatic trans sidewinders we are aware of, the small block Chevy runs a 4-speed Hydro sliced in the middle of its case, with a fab’d case aft of the slice for adapting the chain-driven output shaft. Interestingly it accepts a complete stock Hydro pan. A larger gear attached to the rear wheel completes the complicated drive system. As there are no other images of this rig we assume the old handling gremlins kept this effort from making any dent in the sidewinder attempts continuing to trickle into drag racing around this time.


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    From Here: https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrxp-1107-1960-eric-rickman-vintage-hot-rod-photos/#hrxp-1107-1960-eric-rickman-vintage-hot-rod-photos-300

    Eric Rickman Folded Himself Into This Basket To Shoot What Was Arguably The Lightest And Most Advanced Top Gas Dragster Of Its Era.

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    With Jack Chrisman Aboard, Chuck Jones’ Third Sidewinder Floated Across Lions’ Scales At Just 1,443 Pounds. A Laid Over Engine Mounting Put The Body’s Highest Point Within 30.5 Inches Of The Ground. For Some Unexplained, Surely Intentional Reason, Rickman’s Four Rolls Included Not A Single Engine Shot—unheard Of In A Race Car Feature. Whereas A Blown Chrysler Had Appeared In Construction Photos.

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    That's all I have folks. Feel free to post any more sidewinders you find.
     
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    Speed+Sport+Roadster.jpg Arizona Speed Sport
     
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    One of my all-time FAVORITE drag racing cars; gorgeous, but not a sidewinder.

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