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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by crash 51, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. crash 51
    Joined: Feb 2, 2005
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    Needing a little help here on getting a blower blower motor to add some heat to the old shoebox. I changed the car to twelve volt years ago, and now I am getting cold and looking for some heat. Any one know what 12 volt motor replaces the stock motor? I need a motor that spins the same direction and is also 12 volt. Any help would warm me up. Thanks in advance. Crash.
     
  2. enjenjo
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    NAPA 655-1700 bolts in to the heater. NAPA 655-1780 fits the under seat heater
     
  3. Stafford
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
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    I put a blower motor out of a cutlass in my heater. Had to change the fan best I remember, wasn't too much trouble.
     
  4. ironhead79ca
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    Would this be the same as for a 53 Merc?
     

  5. What 50 ford had an under the seat heater??

    tok
     
  6. DrDano
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    Is that 12V?

    I talked to Ray in OK about this, he mentioned some strange blower like one from a late model escort or topaz would bolt right in. :confused:
     
  7. enjenjo
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    Yes thats 12 volts. Wagons has a floor heater.
     
  8. CJ101
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    Hello! I'm reawakening this old thread in hopes that someone might have a modern day part number for a 12 volt Ford Shoebox blower motor conversion? I know I can order one from Shoebox Central but getting that here to Canada triples the cost. If I could get from my local NAPA I'd save a bunch. In my case I have a 1951 Ford Deluxe. I had planned to use a 12 to 6 volt converter on the existing motor but I found out last night its seized. thanks in advance!
     
  9. vtx1800
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    take your existing motor to the parts store and they should have a paper catalog with a list of the motors, use the dimensions off of your motor (especially shaft size) and general appearance to find likely candidates. I had to do the same thing with a shoebox Ford in the last ten years but sent all of the information on parts involved with the build with the new owner. I found the heater/defroster motors for both my Stude and Chevy that way.
     
  10. brading
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    If some one on here has got a copy of Rodders Digest April 96 No70 in there is an article on restoring a heater with a list of NAPA heater motor part numbers and dimensions that might help. I would be nice if someone has got a copy of the mag if they could post up here the article including the NAPA info hope this helps
     
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  11. sdluck
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    My buddies 1954 chevy 6v heater has been running on 12 volts for 15 years at least.
     
  12. PhilA
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    I ran my 6V motor on 12V but the bearings were dry and the commutator dirty. It lasted about two weeks of moderate usage before it started to squeak and then quit after making a nasty smell.

    Took it apart, cleaned and lubricated it up and so far it has survived. Blows a decent breeze, too.

    Moral, clean the original and use it. If it quits, then look for a replacement.
    Most electric motors back then were quite over-engineered.

    Phil
     
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  13. y'sguy
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    ^^yup I agree. take the old one and start un seizing it. Use your favorite kroil or wd-40 and try to get it spinning. It just might go!
     
  14. CJ101
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    Worth a shot cleaning it up. I'll take it apart this weekend and see what happens. Thanks!
     
  15. sdluck
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    At work We used to take the blower motor and drill a small hole in the end with the bearing and squirt oil in them.
     
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  16. sdluck
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    When you changed it to 12, you did reverse the polarity? Those were 6 volt positive ground in the USA.
     
  17. B.A.KING
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    So is the squealing from bad bushings?? aren't they bronze? and can they be replaced.? I thought i had fixed mine but started to whine again?
     
  18. PhilA
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    Mine are bronze; you need an oil with good cling; particularly if the bearings are worn. I got some oil that is meant for air conditioning fan motors (exterior, exposed motors, expected to run a long time with minimum maintenance) and soaked it in after heating the bearings up gently with my hot air gun, which caused some old gunk to ooze out of the felt.

    Phil
     
  19. CJ101
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    To cap off the more recent additions to this thread, I can say 1) Refurbishing small DC motors is not my thing. The cloth wire insulation was all rotten on the inside wiring and it looks like they used paper to insulate in spots? It was a mess. 2) For future 51 Ford Shoeboxer's, the FourSeasons 35504 12 volt blower motor is a perfect fit. It's offered everywhere, including Amazon, Summit, etc. It's a sealed motor. Made in Canada (this is a rare thing). The pictures in Summit are wrong. It looks like below.
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  20. The heater motor I used in my '50 when I rewired it a few years ago looks very much like that. It was on a shelf, no box, no part number but it fit perfectly, had the right rotation and works well.

    Along the same lines, I needed a two speed fan motor for a late '50s Ford last fall and it was hard to find something that fit properly with the correct rotation. I have a friend that works on school buses and they use a universal type motor that has two speeds and is reversable depending on wire hook up. I think they are a 5 wire motor. Whatever motor you need for a heater is probably available, you just need to look in the right places.
     
  21. jimmy six
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    If the fan is not a squirrel cage the rotation is not a problem. Bend the blades the other direction..
     

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