Technical ***September 2022 Banger Meet Thread - Brr Months***

Link to previous month:https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/august-is-for-a-bang-of-a-good-time.1270844/

Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
September 10, 19th Annual North Central Iowa Don Cusack Memorial Speed Meet

September 18 Auburn, CA NorCal F.A.S.T. Fall Hill Climb
Stay safe.

For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
email: [email protected]
phone: 951-695-7313.

A few links to speed equipment companies there maybe more
https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts

Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498

Banger basics. another info link list:
http://www.fordgarage.com/

http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
and this link shows the missing image from the above post
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055

The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/

Model B rod bearing insert numbers
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484

Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

Adjusting dual Strombergs:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

Helpful Model A tools and tips:
http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

Elrod's stuck head tech:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

Model A generator to alternator conversion:
http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php

Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05

Chevy Banger Stuff
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226

New Banger Block in the Works
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/

Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm

 

hot day here

 

FAST Iowa Hillclimb Sept 10

 

Checking in again

 

Hershey in one month.

 

Jiminy, I’m relatively new here but am happy to see you are back. Thanks for putting this together.

 

Here

 

Checking in

 

Checking in, with just over two weeks till the Red Dust Revival I figure why not tear my engine apart and fit this unknown head, It's only sitting on the block in this picture to check fit.



I have the option on either a composite gasket or a copper one, any recommendations on which to use?

Turned out pulling the head was probably the right thing to do as it looks like the old gasket was only a couple of laps away from failing, Yikes!

 

^^^^^^^^^
Failing...?! Hate to break it to you, but that gasket already failed... it just hadn’t told you yet!

Glad you found the gasket failure before it left you stranded somewhere, and glad to see you lining up that new head. Hope you make it stick, it looks good on there!

 

Im here!

 

I’m not sure if one is better than the other, but I’m swapping mine out in the next month or two and plan on using the graphite/composite one from best gasket.
I used one in the past with no issues, but don’t know long term how they hold up since I didn’t keep the car.

 

Lookin in. Still winter weather here.

 

I'm here.

 

OK @Jiminy I am glad to see you back. I had the moderators delete the other banger meet I started.
@stubbsrodandcustom and @johnneilson will need to repost...sorry guys

 

Gonna be a bunch of Bangers doing laps soon, can’t wait to be amongst it.
Gonna be a great month this one.

 

Checking in, still need to fix the carb leak

 

no problem, thank you
glad to see jiminy back
have a good weekend, j

 

copper gasket with copper coat / both sides

 

Good catch
I prefer the Best graphite gasket but have no aluminum head experience with them
I always torque all head fasteners and let sit overnight
Retorque and run/idle the engine with no coolant until can't touch the head comfortably by hand
Retorque and let cool until it reaches ambient temperature. Retorque
Then fill with coolant
I usually recheck torque after a few more heat/cool cycles

 

I didn’t think about an aluminum head might be better off with one vs the other.
Anybody care to expand on that idea?
The last two heads I had were cast iron, the new one is aluminum.
Now I’m thinking again on then graphite one. Might go copper as V4F suggested

 

Might be an old tale but I thought you never used copper gaskets with aluminum heads. Something to do with mixed metals and corrosion.

 

^^^^Thats an interesting thought.

 

Present!

Absolutely nothing accomplished in August. Completely consumed by work. Not even a weekend drive.

That’s going to have to change in September.

Hope you all are well.

@johnneilson - thanks for directing me to Jim Brierley for my camshaft. I think I’ve settled in on the right grind and will probably order soon.

 

I ran sandwich copper gaskets for several years, then solid copper for several years, now run a composite for the last several years. All this has been under an aluminum Sherman head with no signs of corrosion at the surfaces. I ran green antifreeze for a number of years, but have been running the red stuff for a while now. Only difference I can tell between the coolants... is the taste! (No windshield)

My choice of gaskets is simpler than you might expect... big valves require cutting and reshaping the copper sandwich gaskets (PITA!). Solid copper is whatever shape I want it to be... but not the easiest gasket to seal (aerosol Hylomar). I have found the steel ring composite gaskets to be the easiest to modify. Simply peel back the fire ring a bit and remove. Trim the composite with tin snips, reshape the fire ring, then reassemble with the aid of a small body hammer

 

I am still here ! Got a fair bit done this month, all engine and gearbox mounts finished ,manual clutch /hydraulic brake conversion bracket fabricated and all painted ready to re install .Some pics for interest but nothing amazing!One thing I realised when I was painting the bracket-I have had that crate for more than 40 years!!

 

Check'n in..Still fix'n to be at the F.A.S.T. Time Trials at the Santa Margarita Ranch 13 days from now (the 17th)!

 

Well the head is on and torqued, went with the composite gasket in the end. Didn't get to fire it up as I'm running an original distributor and due to plug placement the standard connectors are too short. I did flatten some copper water pipe, split it and made some but they turned out too big and ugly. I'll chase down some brass shim stock or possibly a modern cap conversion.

 

I've heard of guys making them out of aluminum cans, in a pinch.

 

I've bolted two together before.