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Technical ***September 2022 Banger Meet Thread - Brr Months***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Sep 1, 2022.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Link to previous month:https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/august-is-for-a-bang-of-a-good-time.1270844/

    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    September 10, 19th Annual North Central Iowa Don Cusack Memorial Speed Meet

    September 18 Auburn, CA NorCal F.A.S.T. Fall Hill Climb

    Stay safe.


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: [email protected]
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    A few links to speed equipment companies there maybe more
    https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
    http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
    http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
    https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
    https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts

    Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2022
  2. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
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    from middle ca.

    hot day here
     
  3. brjnelson
    Joined: Oct 13, 2002
    Posts: 606

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    FAST Iowa Hillclimb Sept 10
     

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  4. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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    from Colorado

    Checking in again
     
  5. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
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    Hershey in one month.
     
  6. Mainedrifter2
    Joined: Apr 3, 2022
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    Jiminy, I’m relatively new here but am happy to see you are back. Thanks for putting this together.
     
  7. Checking in
     
  8. Dedsoto
    Joined: Jan 7, 2014
    Posts: 331

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    from Australia
    1. Aussie HAMBers

    Checking in, with just over two weeks till the Red Dust Revival I figure why not tear my engine apart and fit this unknown head, It's only sitting on the block in this picture to check fit.

    20220901_092333.jpg

    I have the option on either a composite gasket or a copper one, any recommendations on which to use?

    Turned out pulling the head was probably the right thing to do as it looks like the old gasket was only a couple of laps away from failing, Yikes!

    20220901_195403.jpg
     
  9. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
    Posts: 576

    Kevin Pharis

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Failing...?! Hate to break it to you, but that gasket already failed... it just hadn’t told you yet!;)

    Glad you found the gasket failure before it left you stranded somewhere, and glad to see you lining up that new head. Hope you make it stick, it looks good on there!
     
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  10. RussTee
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  11. walls
    Joined: Oct 6, 2005
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    I’m not sure if one is better than the other, but I’m swapping mine out in the next month or two and plan on using the graphite/composite one from best gasket.
    I used one in the past with no issues, but don’t know long term how they hold up since I didn’t keep the car.
     
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  12. Midnight Rider
    Joined: May 13, 2010
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    from Australia

    Lookin in. Still winter weather here.
     
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  13. Phil Damon
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    Phil Damon
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    from San Diego

    I'm here.
     
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  14. winduptoy
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  15. Gonna be a bunch of Bangers doing laps soon, can’t wait to be amongst it.
    Gonna be a great month this one.
     
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  16. Dustyp489
    Joined: Feb 1, 2008
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    Checking in, still need to fix the carb leak
     
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  17. no problem, thank you
    glad to see jiminy back
    have a good weekend, j
     
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  18. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    copper gasket with copper coat / both sides
     
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  19. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
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    Good catch
    I prefer the Best graphite gasket but have no aluminum head experience with them
    I always torque all head fasteners and let sit overnight
    Retorque and run/idle the engine with no coolant until can't touch the head comfortably by hand
    Retorque and let cool until it reaches ambient temperature. Retorque
    Then fill with coolant
    I usually recheck torque after a few more heat/cool cycles
     
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  20. walls
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    I didn’t think about an aluminum head might be better off with one vs the other.
    Anybody care to expand on that idea?
    The last two heads I had were cast iron, the new one is aluminum.
    Now I’m thinking again on then graphite one. Might go copper as V4F suggested
     
  21. Might be an old tale but I thought you never used copper gaskets with aluminum heads. Something to do with mixed metals and corrosion.
     
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  22. ^^^^Thats an interesting thought.
     
  23. raaf
    Joined: Aug 27, 2002
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    Present!

    Absolutely nothing accomplished in August. Completely consumed by work. Not even a weekend drive.

    That’s going to have to change in September.

    Hope you all are well.

    @johnneilson - thanks for directing me to Jim Brierley for my camshaft. I think I’ve settled in on the right grind and will probably order soon.
     
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  24. Kevin Pharis
    Joined: Aug 22, 2020
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    Kevin Pharis

    I ran sandwich copper gaskets for several years, then solid copper for several years, now run a composite for the last several years. All this has been under an aluminum Sherman head with no signs of corrosion at the surfaces. I ran green antifreeze for a number of years, but have been running the red stuff for a while now. Only difference I can tell between the coolants... is the taste! (No windshield;))

    My choice of gaskets is simpler than you might expect... big valves require cutting and reshaping the copper sandwich gaskets (PITA!). Solid copper is whatever shape I want it to be... but not the easiest gasket to seal (aerosol Hylomar). I have found the steel ring composite gaskets to be the easiest to modify. Simply peel back the fire ring a bit and remove. Trim the composite with tin snips, reshape the fire ring, then reassemble with the aid of a small body hammer
     
  25. trikejunkie
    Joined: Dec 2, 2011
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    from Scotland

    I am still here ! Got a fair bit done this month, all engine and gearbox mounts finished ,manual clutch /hydraulic brake conversion bracket fabricated and all painted ready to re install .Some pics for interest but nothing amazing!One thing I realised when I was painting the bracket-I have had that crate for more than 40 years!! 20220818_165011.jpg 20220822_121132.jpg 20220824_171352.jpg
     

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  26. Check'n in..Still fix'n to be at the F.A.S.T. Time Trials at the Santa Margarita Ranch 13 days from now (the 17th)!
     
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  27. Dedsoto
    Joined: Jan 7, 2014
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    from Australia
    1. Aussie HAMBers

    Well the head is on and torqued, went with the composite gasket in the end. Didn't get to fire it up as I'm running an original distributor and due to plug placement the standard connectors are too short. I did flatten some copper water pipe, split it and made some but they turned out too big and ugly. I'll chase down some brass shim stock or possibly a modern cap conversion.

    20220904_095916.jpg
     
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  28. rwrj
    Joined: Jan 30, 2009
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    from SW Ga

    I've heard of guys making them out of aluminum cans, in a pinch.
     
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  29. I've bolted two together before.
     
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