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  1. hotrodzmartin
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    So, I had a discussion the other day with one of my car buddies about a particular car I was interested in, and I referred to it as classic. He mentioned that car is not and will never be a classic....

    This got me thinking (and since it was for the first time this year, I took notice...:D) The term "classic" is thrown around all the time, but what is a difference between classic, antique and plainly old when it comes to cars?

    What say you?
     
  2. pwschuh
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    This a question with no real answer, only many, many opinions.
     
  3. WildWilly68
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    I think I’m a classic, my wife thinks I’m an antique, and my kids just think I’m old.

    Personally I think classic is a term that applies to a certain car that fits a time period, say a 57 Chevy or 32 Ford, antique is anything pre-war, old is anything paid for!
     
  4. Ted Chandler
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    I think WildWilly68 pretty well summed it up. Except, my Rambler is a classic (it says so right on the fender)!!
     
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  5. arkiehotrods
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    Some argue that only vehicles designated by the Classic Car Club of America should be called classics..Here is their list of approved "classics."
    http://dev.classiccarclub.org/grand_classics/approved_classics.html

    I remember quite clearly when the '55-'57 Chevrolet "Classic Chevy Club" was formed and more than a few people howled that they were not classics. And according to the definition created by the Classic Car Club of American, they are not.
    Then there is the Milestone Car Society, which has its definition of what they call a "milestone" car with their own list of approved vehicles.
    And the Antique Automobile Club of America. And the Vintage Motor Car Club of America. All with their own definitions of what is allowed in and what is not, kinda like the HAMB, which supersedes them all!
     
  6. 6inarow
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    Some people will argue with a fence post
     
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  7. 'Classic' is the current euphemism for 'old car.' Semi meaningless, but I suppose folks think it sounds better than old car.
    It would cover any vehicle that still has any metal as an exposed surface on the dashboard.

    "Hi, I'm about to buy my first classic..." It's like a broken record.:rolleyes:
     
  8. 62rebel
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    I still go by the old definition. Classic is a term limited to a specific group of cars. The fact that the list includes Ford's A Model is more of a recognition that it was a groundbreaking car than anything else. Nothing made since 1936 even comes close to "Classic" status. Not to make light of any particular car or group of cars, it's just the way it's defined.
     
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  9. rusty valley
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    i gotta agree, "classic era" basically goes parallel with the depression. 29 to 34 was the height of the art deco design era, so the swoopy lines on those cars, and, the cars were no longer an experiment, they knew what worked and what didnt, been around for thirty or so years, to a large degree still hand built with quality and endurance in mind, capable of highway speeds. by 35 all the auto makers figured out they have to make things cheaper in order to survive
     
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  10. X-cpe
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    "Classic" is a want-ad term for come buy my POS.
     
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  11. oldiron 440
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    Its very similar to Hot Rod around here, a narrower definition than the rest of the world.
     
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  12. GreaserJosh13
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    How bout this. The DMV in CA exempts cars up to 1975 from having smog. So in CA anything 1975 & back is a classic.


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  13. primed34
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    I guess the term collectable would fall in here too. There's cars that are called collectable that I wouldn't walk across a narrow street to look at. But that's me.
     
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  14. grimmfalcon138
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    Keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I feel that "classic" is just a buzz word that gets thrown around to describe a certain easily identifiable grouping of cars. For example you have your tri-five Chevy's, 67-69 Camaros and 69-72 chevelles. If you are a Ford guy it could be Fairlanes or galaxies. Ultimately the word classic, to me just describes cars that even the armchair car guy can identify. It doesn't mean there is anything wrong with these cars, it just is.

    Antique on the other hand , to me is a word used by In large by some of the more anal retentive restoration guys. Intended to imply pedigree or prominence. You know the type, or you are the type "numbers matching" , "correct colored spark plugs wires". Again, not that there is anything wrong with that, somebody's gotta do it I suppose.

    And then there is old. There is nothing wrong with old. Regardless if it's antique or classic it's still old, and they all have there place and they will all be loved by someone. I prefer old.
     
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  15. OLSKOOL57
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    My 57 Chevy is just an Old Car that evokes pleasant memories of another time.
     
  16. Now that’s classic! :)
     
  17. The37Kid
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    I go by the established definitions set in place when I joined the hobby in 1961. In short everything manufactured after WWII is a used car. Bob
     
  18. grimmfalcon138
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    I can appreciate that. My old cars have the same affect on me. Teaching my wife to drive three on the tree, bringing my newborn son home from the hospital. These all happened in my old cars, memories.
     
  19. gene-koning
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    Insurance companies call anything more then 5 years old, "Old Cars".
    Anything over 15 years old are "Classics".
    Anything restored (or original) over 25 years old is an Antique".
    Anything over 25 years old that has been modified from original is called "Hot Rod " or "Custom".
    Every year, another model year group of vehicles is added. They also consider that the vehicle is expected to be in good repair for each level, otherwise its considered "Old Junk".
    There is one more view point, but the model year varies by person. That would be "New Junk" and refers to anything we wouldn't want to work on.

    According to them, my wife's 04 PT is a classic! Most here view it as "New Junk" and my grand kids view it as "Old Junk". I guess its a matter of perspective. Gene
     
  20. OLSKOOL57
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    Well, my 57 is way older than 25 years old. It is “modified “ and I would like to consider it a “Hot Rod” in one sense, but I don’t think it is a “Hot Rod “in the traditional sense.
     
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  21. hotrodjack33
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    Classic is a 25% word. If a seller adds the term classic to any car, he now has the right to price it 25% higher.:p
     
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  22. RJP
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    "classic"........ If you're selling it.

    "old car"........ If you're buying it.

    "collector"....... If you're describing your questionable purchase to your friends.
     
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  23. Sandgroper
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    I have always classed "classic" as hand in hand with iconic. If the car was a game changer in its time it became classic. Vintage, veteran and antique seem to change daily. Was at work the other day and got a "vintage" car pointed out to me. Looked and it was an eighties car. Guess my workmate wasn't born then :rolleyes: so it's old.
     
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  24. Fortunateson
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    I go with the classic definition of "classics car" kind of what the AACA uses. Anything else I use vintage or collectible. Classic has very specific guidelines, vintage relates to time/era, and collectible are old and popular based on supposed market value kind of like "collecting" art and wine for example I suppose...

    But really I suppose what term I really use is cool!
     
  25. southcross2631
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    In some states anything older than 25 years can get classic car tags. Does that mean your 85 Chevy Citation 4 door is a Classic ?
     
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  26. chopped
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    Think that's an instant classic.
     
  27. hotrodzmartin
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    Yep, here in TX anything over 25 can be tagged as classic or antique...

    Thank you guys, some good points....
     
  28. Blues4U
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    Well I for one refuse to be limited to which words I can use to describe cars (or anything else) by some club of gold chainers somewhere that I don't even know and before today didn't even know they existed! ;)
     
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  29. hotrodzmartin
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    Hear Hear
     
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  30. arkiehotrods
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    CCCA Approved Classics

    The Classic Car Club of America defines a Classic as a “Fine” or “Distinctive” automobile, American or foreign built, produced between 1915 and 1948. Generally, a Classic was high-priced when new and was built in limited quantities. Other factors, including engine displacement, custom coachwork and luxury accessories, such as power brakes, power clutch, and “one-shot” or automatic lubrication systems, help determine whether a car is considered to be a Classic.

    Only certain models of the following vehicles built during 1915 through 1948 are recognized as CCCA Full Classics®. Be sure to check this list of recognized cars to see if all models of a particular marque are accepted as Full Classic® cars. "All" in a car listing below indicates all built in 1915 thru 1948.

    A.C.
    All 1925-1940

    Adler
    1928-1934 Standard 8

    Alfa Romeo
    All

    Alvis
    Speed 20, 3 1/2 litre,
    Speed 25 and 4.3 litre

    Ambassador
    All 1921-1925

    Amilcar
    Application Considered

    Ansted
    All 1921-1926

    Apperson
    All 8-cylinder 1916-1926;
    1925-1926 Straightaway Eight

    Armstrong-Siddeley
    1924-1933 Model 30;
    1933-1939 Special

    Aston-Martin
    All 1927-1939

    Auburn
    All 8- and 12-cylinder

    Austin (American)
    All 1915-1920
    (Austin Automobile Company)

    Austro-Daimler
    All

    Balboa
    All 1924-1925

    Ballot
    2LS, 2LT, 2LTS, RH,
    RH2 AND RH3

    Bentley
    All 1919

    Benz
    1925-1926, 10/30, 11/40, 16/50,16/50 Sport

    Biddle
    All 1915-1922

    Blackhawk
    All

    B.M.W.
    327, 328, 327/8 and 335

    Brewster
    All 1915-1925 and 1934-1936

    Brough Superior
    All 1934-1939

    Bucciali
    TAV 8, TAV 30,
    TAV 12 and Double Huit

    Bugatti
    All except types 52 and 68

    Buick
    All 1931-1942 Series 90;
    1931-1933; 1936-1939 Series 80; 1940 Series 80 Limited

    Cadillac
    1915-1924 – All;
    1925-1935 – All; All 12 and 16; 1936-1948 – 63, 65, 67, 70, 72, 75, 80, 85, 90; 1938-1947 – 60 Special; 1940-1947 – 62 Series

    Chadwick
    All 1915-1916

    Chrysler
    1926 through 1932 Imperial and Series 80, Includes Series CG, CH, CL; 1932-1939 Custom Imperial Series - CL, CX, CW, C-3, C-11, C-15, C-20, C-24; 1940-1948 Crown Imperial - Includes Series C-27, C-30N, C-33, C-37, C-40; Newports and Thunderbolts; All 1941-1948 Town & Country

    Cole
    1916-1925 All 8-cylinder

    Colonial
    All 1921-1922

    Cord
    All

    Corinthian
    All 1922-1923

    Cunningham
    All 1915-1924

    Dagmar
    1922-1926, 6-70 and Series 6-80

    Daimler
    All 8- and 12-cylinder, 6-cylinder, 3-1/2 Litre and larger, 1925-1934

    Daniels
    All 1916-1924;
    8–1920-1926 Model D

    Darracq
    See Talbot





    Delage
    1924-1926 GL and GLS Models, Model D-8

    Delahaye
    Series 135, 145, 148, 165

    Delaunay Belleville
    6-cylinder

    Detroit Electric
    All 1915-1936

    Doble
    All

    Dorris
    All 1915-1925

    Duesenberg
    All 1921

    duPont
    All 1919-1931

    Elcar
    1925-1933, 8-80, 8-81, 8-90, 8-91, 8-92, 120, 130 and 140

    Excelsior
    1919-1926 Adex Models, 1925-1932 Albert 1 (Premier Models)

    Fageol
    All 1917

    Farman
    All 1925-1931

    Ferris
    All 1920-1922

    Fiat
    All 1915-1918; 1923-1927 Model 519; 1928-1931 Model 525; 1938-1940 Model 2800, Except Military Vehicles

    Fox
    All 1921-1923

    Franklin
    All models except 1933-1934 Olympic

    FRP
    All 1915-1916

    Gardner
    1925-1926 Line 8;
    1927 Model 890;
    1928 Model 130;
    1930-1931 Model 150

    Georges Irat
    1922-1929 2 Litre & 3 Litre; 1930-1934 Lycoming 6- and 8-cylinder, Except military Vehicles

    Graham
    1930-1931 Series 137 and 127; 1929-1931

    Graham-Paige
    1928-1929 Series 835, 837;
    1929-1930 Series 837

    HAL
    All 1916-1918

    Haynes
    All 1915-1924

    HCS
    All 1920-1925

    Heine-Velox
    All 1921-1922

    Hispano-Suiza
    H6 from 1919; All French models; Spanish models T56, T56BIS, T64

    Holmes
    All 1918-1923

    Horch
    All

    Hotchkiss
    1929-1940 All 3 & 3-1/2 Litre, AM80, AM80S, 620, 680, 686 Paris-Nice, 686 Grand Sport

    Hudson
    1929-Series L

    Humber
    1930 Pullman model 6

    Hupmobile
    1930-1932, Series H and H-255, U and U237

    Invicta
    All through 1938

    Isotta-Fraschini
    All 1919 except Tipo 8C Monterosa

    Itala
    All

    Jaguar
    1946-1948 - 2-1/2 litre,
    3-1/2 litre (Mark IV)

    Jensen
    All 1936-1939 except 2 1/4 Litre







    Jordan
    1929-1931 Models G, 90, Great Line 90, and Speed Way Series Z

    Julian
    All

    Kenworthy
    All 1920-1921

    Kissel
    All 6- and 12-cylinder cars
    1915-1924;
    1923-1928 6-55;
    1925-1927 8-75;
    1928 8-90 and 8-90 White Eagle; 1929-1930 8-95 White Eagle; 1929-1931 8-126

    Kleiber
    1926 Model 21;1927 Model 178;
    1928 Model 133; 1929 Model 37

    Lafayette
    All 1921-1924

    Lagonda
    All models through 1940 except 1934-1940 Rapier, Two Post-War V-12

    Lanchester
    1919-1931 Models 21, 23, 30 and 40

    Lancia
    Dilambda and Astura, 1928-1939

    LaSalle
    All 1927 through 1933

    Leach
    All 1920-1923

    Lincoln
    L, from 1920 KA, KB, and K, 1941 168 H and 1942 268 H

    Lincoln Continental
    All

    Locomobile
    All 1915-1924;
    All left hand drive models 48 and all model 90; 1927-1929 Model 8-80; 1929 Model 8-88

    Lozier
    All 1915-1916

    Marmon
    All Model 41, 48, and 34
    1915-1924;
    All 12- & 16-cylinder, 1925-1926 D-74, 1927 E-75, 1928 75, 1930 Big 81931 88 and Big 8

    Maserati
    Application Considered

    Maybach
    All

    McFarlan
    All 1915-1924, TV6 and 8

    Mercedes
    All

    Mercedes-Benz
    All 230 and up,
    K, S, SS, SSK, SSKL,
    Grosser and Mannheim

    Mercer
    All 1915-1924

    M.G.
    1935-1939 SA, 1938-1939 WA

    Miller
    1928 & 1932
    Minerva
    All except 4-cylinder

    Nash
    1930 Series 490;
    1931 Series 890;
    1932 Series 990 and 1090; 1933 Series 1190;
    1934 Series 1290;
    1940 Sakhnoffsky Special Cabriolet

    National
    All 1916-1919

    Northway
    All 1921-1922

    Ogren
    All 1916-1923

    Owen Magnetic
    All 1915-1921

    Paige
    All 6-55, 6-66 1916-1927

    Packard
    All 1915-1924 except Model 116; All 6-cylinder 226-233, 326-333, 426-433, 526-533; All 8-cylinder 1923-1934; All 12-cylinder 1932-1939; 1935 Models 1200 through 1205, 1207 and 1208; 1936 Models 1400 through 1405, 1407 and 1408; 1937 Models 1500 through 1502 and 1506 through 1508; 1938 Models 1603 through 1605, 1607 and 1608; 1939 Models 1703, 1705, 1707, and 1708; 1940 Models 1803, 1804, 1805, 1806, 1807, and 1808; 1941 Models 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, and 1908; 1942 Models 2023, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2055, 2006, 2007, and 2008; 1946-1947 Models 2103, 2106 and 2126; All Darrin-bodied







    Pathfinder
    All 1916-1917

    Peerless
    All 1915-1924;
    1925 Series 67;
    1926-1928 Series 69;
    1929 Series 8-125;
    1930-1931 Custom 8;
    1932 Deluxe Custom 8

    Phianna
    All 1917-1922

    Pierce-Arrow
    All 1915-1924; 1921 Series 32; 1922 and up Series 33;
    All from 1925

    Porter
    All 1919-1922

    Premier
    All 6-cylinder 1915-1925

    Railton
    Application Considered

    Rauch & Lang
    All 1916-1925

    Renault
    45 HP (40CV) to 1928, 40 hp (41CV) Reinastella, Reinasport, 1929-1934, 8-cylinder Nervahuit, Nervastella, Nervasport (Suprastella)

    Reo
    1931-1934, Royale 8-cylinder

    ReVere
    All 1918-1926

    Richelieu
    All 1922-1923

    Rickenbacker
    All 8-cylinder, 1925-1927

    Roamer
    All Rochester-Duesenberg 4-cylinder; 1925 6-54E;
    1925-1929 8-88; 1929-1931 8-125

    Rohr
    1928-1935 R, RA, F and FK

    Rolls-Royce
    All 1925-1948

    Ruxton
    All

    Squire
    All

    S.S. and SS Jaguar
    1932-1940 S.S. 1, S.S. 90, SS Jaguar and SS Jaguar 100

    Simplex
    All 1915-1919

    Singer
    All 1915-1919

    Standard
    All 1915-1923

    Stanley
    All 1915-1924

    Stearns Knight
    All 6- and 8-cylinder
    1915-1924

    Stevens Duryea
    All 1915-1927

    Steyr
    1923-1929 Type VI Sport, VI Klausen, SS Klausen and Austria

    Studebaker
    1928 8-cylinder President; 1929-1933 President except Model 82

    Stutz
    All 1915-1924 except 1915 HCS

    Sunbeam
    8-cylinder and 3 litre twin cam

    Talbot
    (GB) 105 and 110;
    (F), Darracq (GB),
    Talbot-Lago (F) – 8-cylinder 1930-1935;
    4 Litre 6-cylinder 1936-1939;
    4-1/2 Litre 1946-1948

    Tatra
    1927-1948 Models T70, T70A, T80, T77, T77A and T87 with prewar styling

    Templar
    All 1915-1924

    Triumph
    Dolomite 8 and Gloria 6

    Vauxhall
    25-70 and 30-98

    Voisin
    All

    Wasp
    All 1919-1924

    White
    All 1915-1918

    Wills Sainte Claire
    All 1921

    Willys-Knight
    Series 66, 66A, 66B Custom bodied only (Considered by application)

    Winton
    All 1915-1924
     
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