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Technical Sanding flaws from new whitewalls???

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by john worden, May 31, 2016.

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  1. gal6xie5
    Joined: Dec 19, 2006
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    Goodyear's are made by Goodyear tire and sold by Kelsey Tires we all have to buy through Kelsey to get them. Goodyear's are more expensive but have better quality to their work.
  2. john worden
    Joined: Nov 14, 2007
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    john worden
    from iowa

    To bad they don't offer the wider whites. Thanks.
  3. Jess H
    Joined: Oct 14, 2003
    Posts: 102

    Jess H

    John, no problem for the response. I always try to reach out when I see post. As I mentioned in my last post those nubs and indentations are all from the vents and reliefs in the mold on the Firestone. As far as I know the tires had these originally and it’s not something Coker added. I’m not familiar with the tire in the pic, but it appears to be a different design as it has the ribbed whitewall and block letters, not the outlined letter as the Firestone has.

    Jess Hoodenpyle
    Coker Tire
  4. gal6xie5
    Joined: Dec 19, 2006
    Posts: 268


    Your right, Goodyear does not have that size in the 4" range but just for clearification.

    Goodyears carry the biggest size whitewalls in the following sizes 6.70X15 Super cushion is 4 1/4" WW. The 7.10X15 is also 4 1/4" WW and finally the 650X16 is 4" WW.
    Generals come with the following 6.70X5 - 3 3/4" WW and 6.00-16 3 1/2" WW.
    Firestone 6.70X15 are 3 1/4" WW and 7.10X15s are 3 1/4" WW and finally the 650X16 is 4" WW.

    Lester does carry an 8.20X15 that is 4" and does have a cleaner white wall.

    Don't really mean to be argumentative but really the quality of white wall on either the Goodyear, General and Lester exceed the whitewall treatment on the Firestone, IMO. From my standpoint, I'd rather give up a little on the white wall size and get a better looking white wall then have a huge white wall that needs to be cleaned up.

    Again these are just facts interlaced with my opinion, I do work with these specialty tires daily.
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  5. gal6xie5
    Joined: Dec 19, 2006
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    Jesse - its a Goodyear tire.
  6. Atwater Mike
    Joined: May 31, 2002
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    Atwater Mike

    You're too sensitive
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  7. lonestar395
    Joined: Dec 25, 2011
    Posts: 202

    from Australia

    I don't want to hijack, however what can I use to cover/color black the remnants of the raised white lettering when I buff them down to the black sidewall?
  8. Atwater Mike
    Joined: May 31, 2002
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    Atwater Mike

    Seriously, thanks to Gal6xie5 for all the useful info.
    I was unaware of your business, hope you get some welcome traffic.
    Your glossary of tire makes/whitewall widths/characteristics should be published as a spec sheet.
  9. gal6xie5
    Joined: Dec 19, 2006
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    Summit Sells Tire paint markers.
  10. gal6xie5
    Joined: Dec 19, 2006
    Posts: 268


    Thanks Mike,
    I have worked with White wall tires for over 8 years. Our shop is more into building and small maintience work but I still love the tires.
  11. Nice irrelevant assumption that I own a "2008 Honda" :rolleyes:.

    Yes I "understand" that tires being out of round isn't anything new, that's not the point.

    What you don't "understand" is QUALITY control and inconsistencies. If you don't mind speeding up the wear process on an already expensive tire that's supposed to be round TO BEGIN WITH, then clearly you're the one that's missing something here. If the tires are out of round than the manufacturer needs to correct the problem before they are sold, not the customer.

    I hope you "understand" now.
  12. Wow...

    ..Seems to be you're the one that doesn't get it pal... unrealistic expectations.

    These things were out of round 70 years ago and they are built the same way today.

    Shaving a new tire was common and accepted. The technology of manufacturing a bias ply hasn't gotten any better over the years. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Expecting old technology to improve beyond it's pinnicle of manufacture after it was already replaced by a superior product is asinine.

    If the quality isn't up to your standards but it's remained the same for decades...who is the one that needs to change their expectations. The manufacturers who has been doing it the same for decades? Or someone that expects bias ply tires to have the same quality control and characteristics as modern radial tires?

    Don't get me wrong. I totally wish these things came round and I think it's something that really sucks to take care of. But I accept it as a fact of playing the game. If we didnt take these tires and make them round we wouldn't have anything.

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  13. I don't buy'em anymore, had my problems in the past.
  14. BamaMav
    Joined: Jun 19, 2011
    Posts: 4,856

    from Berry, AL

    Put them on the back, do a few burnouts, and they should be round then! :D
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  15. "Wow" what?

    You sound just a little.... biased, "pal".

    You do understand English right? I already told you I know shaving tires is nothing new.

    Wanting to buy a non-defective tire is not an "unleasistic expectation".

    If you want to settle and keep making excuses to justify in your mind why out of round (in other words defective) tires are okay, then, that's your problem.

    You don't seem to get the point that, if some bias ply tires can be manufactured truly round, why can't all of them?

    By having people like you who keep buying defective products, well then of course the manufacturers aren't going to try to improve.. Even after "70 years", because you, the con$umer, is fixing their mi$take$ on your time & dime!

    Seems like you're also not aware that places that "shave" tires are not as common as they were "70 years" ago, especially in more rural areas.

    And to make it clear, and I'm not necessarily "expecting" anything, I just simply won't buy an inferior product.

    Do I make my self clear now?
  16. Yeah. You'd rather whine about it. It's very clear.

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  17. I have used a white paint pen to touch up a whitewall, you could try a black one for the rest of the tyre.
  18. No dog in this fight (and good morning by the way). Big rig truck service centers ... all practice tire shaving as a normal standard operating practice. Alignment,frame, and tire balancing issues are small change to places such as this. Finding one near you, is always a good thing.
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  19. Maladjusted
    Joined: Sep 9, 2010
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    You guys are ALL wrong, those are "Nipples".
  20. (Did somebody say "nipples"?)
    Wesley's Tire Bleche, before that Comet, and then, Nurse's Friend:

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  21. So you don't understand English or you can't read, either way, that's your problem, grow up.
  22. Tried that, I either spoke to someone who didn't know what I was talking about or they said they didn't deal with passenger car tires. And I'm not going to drive over 2 hours away to a major city to have it done, even if I could find someone. Again, I just won't buy the product.
  23. That's fine. No worries. I was commenting merely to say that shaving tires is not uncommon.

    Hampton Roads, Suffolk area has several places that true tires. Richmond too. Over the border, Camp Springs Maryland, Washington D.C. You true up a tire to make it rounder, easier to balance, last longer. A lot of places do this.

    No tire is perfectly round. None. Most people don't need them to be. SOME people do. Definitely not a deal breaker. Rally tires, and big rigs ... high dollar tires. Shaved them all for better performance.

    They would have to be molded square for me to worry about it. That's it. Take care.
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  24. I can't say I agree, and you're not me. Now you take care to.
  25. You don't have to agree with facts. Facts are just what they may be.

    Term is : Tire Truing.

    My discussion was based on what that is, and why one would do so. It's an industry in of itself. An accurate mode of better balancing features with any tire. Over the road trucking, and racing commonalities.

    (You can still have the last word, this post doesn't really count... it's a repeat of previous.)
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  26. yup. The more you race, the more you shave.

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  27. I was talking about the fact that, tire shaving is not common in my neck of the woods. You kept naming places very far from me like it's supposed to help me? And then get offended when I don't agree. Hence why you keep posting.

    And as far as some of what you said in the second half of post #53, you could think that's all fact, SOME could think that's opinion.
  28. :) you are really funny.​
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  29. Now is that a fact or opinion?
  30. Dear sir,

    Most people on HAMB are exceedingly polite, you seem to be an anomoly.

    Truing bias ply tires are a fact. Nipples are a fact. Reproducing new from old molds has it limitations, and even in their heyday, bias ply tires had visual and physical defects.
    HAMB truing.jpg
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