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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Styleliner, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Styleliner
    Joined: Apr 9, 2013
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    Just recieved some headers from sanderson for my 49 chev v8 switch, the instructions say no gaskets necessary, just a 1/8 bead of silicone. Has anyone had any experience with these? Should I fudge the instructions and put gaskets in? It goes against my mojo to not use gaskets but if someone here says its all good, i'll try it.
     
  2. Wow. That's the second most strangest thing I've heard in header instructions. I'm gonna stand by and wait for the answer here.


    Posted from my office while pretending to work!
     
  3. Do what the instructions say...it works. Just make sure you use a liberal amout of silicone and, very important, allow it to thoroughly cure before you fire the engine.
     
  4. verno30
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    I bought the same set but didn't get instructions. I used dead-soft copper gaskets and had success. Not using gaskets seems odd to me. Kudos to those that have pulled it off but I think maintenance woudl be a PITA later on down the road.
     

  5. 2racer
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    sounds like a bad idea, use some quality gaskets
     
  6. GassersGarage
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    I used regular header gaskets and it worked fine.
     
  7. KIRK
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    I used the stuff they recommend when I installed mine on aluminum heads on a sbc. Ran it 5 years with no leaks or trouble. When I pulled it down for a rebuild I did use gaskets and that worked well too. I think either way is good. Gaskets are easier however.
     
  8. gimpyshotrods
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    I don't run header gaskets. I have not in about 10-years. Probably 45-50 installs, no issues. Silicone works just fine.
     
  9. Sting Ray
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    I used the copper gaskets with the Stage 8 fasteners, no problems.
     
  10. 1oldtimer
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    I'm running copper permatex and have no problems.......lots of new cars run no gaskets as long as the surface is straight.
     
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  11. slddnmatt
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    I use Permatex's ultra copper. no issues..
     
  12. greybeard360
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    I just put a set of zoomies from them on a T Bucket..... I have used copper RTV in the past along with gaskets to seal some tough ones up, but NEVER heard of using black RTV. I was hesitant, sceptical and puzzled..... all at the same time.

    I applied the RTV, let them set over night and installed them. Been a month now, no leaks.

    I am amazed.

    But, I will say this. It is more the quality of the flanges, the thickness and the welds and the flatness they are ground down to, more than just using RTV. I have a feeling these things would seal fine without the RTV.... much like many car manufaturers that don't use gakets on their exhaust manifolds.

    I will say I put a set on a SBC in a 40 Chevy 4 years ago using Mr. Gasket header gaskets and they have never leaked either.
     
  13. Don's Hot Rods
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    I tried their method and got leaks, so I now run header gaskets and every couple of years change them out as they get hard from heat and age. But they do seal well that way.

    I use the copper ones on the header caps because I uncap mine a lot and the copper ones last forever and seal well.

    Don
     
  14. tfeverfred
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    Doesn't installing gaskets void their warranty?
     
  15. Styleliner
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    Thanks for all the great input guys. I think I'll follow sandersons instructionsand keep watch. Against my better judgement.
     
  16. Styleliner
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    By the way, the warranty states that it would be void due to "improper installation" . Whether or not this means using gaskets when the instructions called for black rtv... I cant be certain.
     
  17. tfeverfred
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    I'd call them to make sure. Couldn't hurt.
     
  18. Bobjoe
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    I been running Sanderson zoomies some 5 years. 3 different motors. No probs. Always silicone. good luck.
     
  19. hotrodj54
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    i used their headers on a 302 in my 54 ford, i didnt like the idea of silicone so i used stock manifold gaskets, been 10 years and no leaks or troubles.....john
     
  20. captmullette
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    did what they said, no issues at all, damn a leaking gasket
     
  21. 59 brook
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    sanderson cast iron headers on my wagon jet coated 12+ yrs now never had a gasket, silicone or leak. still look like new. the header flange is 3/8" thick
     
  22. '51 Norm
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    I had a set of headers on an OT car that would not seal even with double gaskets. In desperation I tried the silicone and it worked. I was amazed.
     
  23. upspirate
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    I kept blowing gaskets on cheap set of block huggers on my SBC,
    Used hi-temp silicone small bead on both sides of new gasket and no leaks.

    I was told to use it when I installed headers on a 2.3 Ford that had small holes in the head for air injection tubes from the stock manifold otherwise a gasket/header won't seal,so I filled the holes direct into the exhaust port,and never had a leak in 4 yrs 60K miles
     
  24. JoeyP.
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    I installed sanderson headers on a 289 just like the instructions said with silicone, so far so good.
     
  25. '51 Norm
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    from colorado

    upspirate;
    the engine that I had trouble with the header leaking was also a 2.3 ford. Now I'm wondering if the problem was air injection holes in the head, something that I never considered.
    The silicone lasted until I sold the car and after that it was no longer my problem.
     
  26. Well, I guess you can't have a leaky gasket if you don't use a gasket. Sounds like I need to try this when I get the mill back in the wagon. Damn gaskets anyway
     
  27. DaddyO's..Deuce
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    I've used the copper silicone and nothing else for years, have never had a leak yet. 8 yrs on a set of hooker super comps on my chevy II and 8 yrs on a set of sanderson lakesters. Just a good bead, bolt them on and let them sit over night before you fire it up.

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  28. Smilin Jack
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    I used hi temp red silicone and no gaskets on a 472 Cadillac with home brewed headers and it worked perfectly.
     
  29. Thaplumbr
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    The silicone recommended by them,and the instructions followed like I got um on my flathead,worked like a champ!!
     
  30. CNC-Dude
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    Its a patented flange design that eliminates the need for a gasket.
     

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