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Technical Rust repair reality check please.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by albertaboy, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. albertaboy
    Joined: Jul 19, 2013
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    IMG_6191.JPG I've a 40 Ford pickup cab that is rusted in all four corners, likely the lower rear edge, rockers and floor. I've not blasted it yet so I don't know the extent of the damage. The truck is all complete so I don't know what's lurking under the seat or in the cowl behind the front fender, but I suspect it's bad. The rear cab corner rust and both lower doors is typical of the rust you see in the photo I attached.

    I have been encouraged to learn how to weld and do rust repair myself. I am tempted and I have self taught myself many things and seen many projects to completion. I see that many patch panels are available for this truck's cab.

    I like to hear encouragement or discouraging comments if I can pull this off. I don't plan a show truck but I don't want to end up with a rat job either. I can read as many tutorials as I can find, take a mig course, practice on scrap but am I about to get over my head??? What surprises might I expect?? I wont settle for a half assed job, even from myself.

    I keep my eyes open for a better cab but I've found nothing local. Anything in Alberta, where I'm from is just as rusty.

    I can't appreciate how many hours it would take to do this but if it's 50 and a pro is $100 or more at shop rate, that's $5000. I either come up with cash for a proper job or move on.

    Let me know what you think- you wont hurt my feelings.

    Thanks

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  2. ROADSTER1927
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    Buy the patch panels, and practice welding on scrap sheet metal. Even if you trim the rust and just fit the patches you will be way ahead. Good luck, Gary
     
  3. squirrel
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    Just make sure you keep the doors on the cab, so you can make everything fit properly before you weld it all together. It's just work...yeah, it takes some effort to learn how to do the work, but it's worth it.

    Practice on scrap metal, till you feel confident in your abilities. If you have access to a community college welding course, that might be worth it...at least for me, if I'm paying for the privilege of practicing, that makes it so much easier to put in the time that's required to develop the skill.
     
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  4. Jethro
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    Those are the typical rust out points on a 40-46 cab. Panels are readily available and relatively inexpensive. Blasting everything first is your best course of action . It will show any hidden surprises. If that's the worst of your cab, it's in pretty good shape!. Give us a few more pics to see what you're up against.
     

  5. alchemy
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    It will take you a lot more than 50 hours. And it would probably take a pro longer too. Buy the best patch panels you can find (ask around the HAMB). You will be way ahead in time for the extra money they cost.
     
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  6. I've said this before, it's worth repeating. Check the local schools. Do they offer vocational classes? If you can get into an auto body class you'll have access to all the tools, a paint booth, (usually) a discount at the local parts stores AND a teacher who is usually a pretty fair body man.
     
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  7. 37 fiat
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    You should look at metal shaping sites like, allmetalshaping.com or metalmeet.com. there are many helpful people there and if you post and ask question I'm sure you will get guidance.
     
  8. oldrelics
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    My '41 required approx half the floor to be changed and I had many times the 50 hours.....

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  9. 66gmc
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    As was mentioned already there is way more than 50 hours labor there.
    Learn to do it yourself and fix the cab you've got.
    There is a lot of good information on this site for patching rust. It seems like the magazines do articles every couple months on the subject as well, although they seem to give a lot of bad advice.
     
  10. gas & guns
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  11. blue 49
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    This '49 Chevy is what I learned on. 110 volt Daytona Mig and just about every patch panel available. I kept it about 19 years and it held up very well. rust.jpg
     
  12. All good advice, I would opt to have the sheet metal stripped in a dip tank though. might cost a little more but clean sheet metal is a joy to work with.
     
  13. You can doo et!
     
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  14. Sound advice.

    If you intend to enjoy the hobby of building cars,be it hot rods,customs or muscle cars you will run into rust and will need to learn how to cut it out and replace it with new metal.

    it's not rocket science and it just takes time and practice. HRP
     
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  15. gimpyshotrods
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    Go for it. You won't make it any worse.
     
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  16. rickl
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    Plus don't be afraid to take your practice welds into someone that may know more. I've welded up some similar gauge metal with different heat/wire speed settings and asked which is the best one? I've found it best to get that dialed in before starting on the actual work.

    And if you screw it up, cut it out and start again. Have fun!
     
  17. UNSHINED 2
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    With welding its Practice, practice, practice....fit up is huge. Learn on scrap, and weld new steel to scrap old steel as it is slightly different. Don't be afraid, its only metal. Another thing, if you don't have a MIG welder, try Oxy/Fuel welding. YouTube is your friend.....EAA has some tutorials on different welding...metalshaping forums....here on the HAMB all have threads, postings and videos on all avenues of welding.
     
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  18. thirtytwo
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    Fitment is key, if lines / shapes don't line up... Take the time to make them line up , patch pannels are nice to have but usually they are just a close shape to get started

    And if the rust is only 4" up and your patch is 12" don't use the whole patch pannel... Only what you need to fix the rust issue
     
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  19. Give it a shot, you might just surprise yourself !
     
  20. el Scotto
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    One of the things I tell most dudes is "Don't put the pussy on a pedestal."

    You'll fuck up, you'll fix your fuck up, you'll move on. This shit ain't hard, remember: assholes were doing it long before the internet existed.

    Now go do it!
     
  21. Mr48chev
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    Someone no doubt has fixed much worse. I agree 100% with those who say practice on scrap metal until you are at the point that you feel confident with your welds. A class no doubt would help as would a few hours spent with one on one instruction by a qualified welder. I worked next door to one of the best welding instructors in the country for a number of years that turned out a lot of guys who turned to welding professionally and he started every one of them out sticking scrap metal pieces together until they reached the point where they could do a decent job of welding. I still have the engine stand one of his students welded up and another welded the subframe on my 51 Merc when I subframed it. practice, practice, make your honey or your mom a plant stand or some other useful piece like a bench for the porch and then buy the patch panels and hit it on the truck.
     
  22. albertaboy
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    Great replies everybody. I learned something from each of you. And you told me what I wanted to hear. I'll start shopping for some welding classes and a welder. Keeping this truck all it's own original components is important to me. It may a few months but I will put up photos once it's disassembled and blasted. THANK YOU!!
    Keep it coming.
     
  23. jcmarz
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    on those patch panels, the weld is not critical so don't be concern about how "nice" the weld looks because weld beads will be grinded down and a little Bondo, James Bondo, added. I've done it and I'm not a great welder. Want to learn how to swim, throw yourself in the water.
     
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  24. 56premiere
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    Everyone has given great advice , so I'l tell you how I figure it. Tools are a great investment. Pay 1000 for a welder and do what you need, that would have paid for 20 hours of another's time. Your time learning will allow you to then make a bracket , repair your frame or make doo dads. And your welder is still worth 500. Win Win
     
  25. chopolds
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    Tools (a welder) are never a bad investment.
    Learning a new skill is always a good thing.
     
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  26. NashRodMan
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    the internet search is invaluable. YouTube has loads of info. And the dvd's from "mindover" here on the HAMB as well as others are incredible. Well worth the $60 or so.
     
  27. rtsidejohnny
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    You could always drive it the way it is ,too. When I was young I was ALWAYS driving something that had rust! Oh wait...I still do!
     
  28. First off to ask me what you can do is like asking how long a string is. How would I know what you can do. Look at it this way if kripfink had asked the same question and I had no idea that he was a quadriplegic and said oh hell yea you can do it that would have been the absolute wrong answer.

    All that BS aside this is the best advice in the world find a course in autobody of you can. If you can't buy an old hood or two practice on the hood first then go after repairing the body, the worse thing in the world that could happen it that it will turn out to be a total loss and its already well on its way out anyway.
     
  29. luckythirteenagogo
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    My advice to you echoes the others. You can do whatever you set your mind to do. How well it turns out all depends on your expectations and how you went about doing it. Taking classes is one of the best ways to get started. Learning as much as you can from videos, books and the internet is another, just use common sense. There are a lot of complete hacks on the internet that make themselves out to be experts when YOU actually already know more than they do. The HAMB, in my opinion, has some of the most talented people you will find on the internet. The only problem with this place is that there are so many really talented people here posting pictures of their work, that it is easy to set the bar for your own work higher that you will be able to reach. Your work won't look as nice and perfect as a lot of the stuff on here. That comes from years and years of experience. You might get there one day, but you need to keep your expectations realistic right now. Just take your time to learn and practice, then practice some more. In the beginning, your practice pieces will look like a steaming pile. Keep that and put it away. As you move on, you will start learning things without evening realizing it and it will get easier. When you done with the truck, pull out that steaming pile. You'll be amazed how far you've come.

    Or you can try to rush through it just to get it done and your steaming pile will have wheels!
    Good luck.
     
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  30. SlamIam
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    You can do it if you have the time and perseverance - I did rust repair on my F1 cab, running boards and fenders - the new skills I gained have brought me pleasure - my Model A Coupe is currently benefiting from everything I learned on the pickup - doing this work is a hobby and therapy for me - I would (could) never do it for money, I'm too slow
     

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