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Projects Replica of the Ivo's Showboat dragster

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by NITROFC, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. dreracecar
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    Hey, went into work today and looked thru my CD's of the build and found the drawings of the frame with all the measurments and a bunch of other pics---- we need to talk
     
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  2. Ken Foran
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    Continued plating and plated some of the exhaust pipes and figured out a way to plate the 00-90 bolts and nuts without burning them up using a section of rectangular tube drilled and tapped to add more mass for the plating process. The nuts were added to the longer bolts. My wife came up with the idea of using vinyl file folder material for the head gaskets and works perfectly; just have to be careful trimming to the final shape while in place. I also painted the block plugs as well per dreracecar's advice.
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  3. dreracecar
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    Its the little things that earn you points. you know you could have used annealed SS tubing for the exhaust pipes that way they polish right up without plating
     
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  4. Ken Foran
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    After chrome plating the various lengths of 00-90 bolts I started assembly of the left bank of engines to be able to finish the engine mounts to the frame rails. The real benefit of the Caswell plating system is that I can plate parts as I go and as needed. Takes about 2 minutes to plate the parts first in copper then chrome and polish once plated. After assembling the individual engines I have started on the connector braces which required making small flanges for each end. Bolted the modified oil filters in place using the original parts for now. The valve cover wing bolts were plated and here is a close up picture; I am real happy on how they came out.
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    Where I am at so far.
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    Next will be the plating of the engine connector tubes and bolts then onto the other engines.
     
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  5. dreracecar
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    CD's with all the pics and frame scetches you should see on Monday
     
  6. Ken Foran
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    Thank you!!! Looking forward to getting them.
     
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  7. desertdroog
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    Thank you for this. I asked this question in my Tom Ivo - Red thread.
     
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  8. Ken Foran
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    Received the CD’s and what fantastic photos! One cannot ask for better reference material. I will be exploring and studying the files for hours, almost like adult porn for car guys. The sketches mentioned will be pieced together to develop a CAD drawing for the frame.
    Thanks again!!!
     
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  9. Ken Foran
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    Fabricated all the engine braces with mounting flanges. These really stiffen the entire assembly. Then all were chrome plated and polished. When chrome plated the brass first looks like dull chrome or aluminum; I then polish to get the bright chrome finish.


    Engine Brace 01.jpg Engine Brace 02.jpg

    I then moved on to the exhaust pipe flanges which are made and fitted individually to each pipe. I make two at a time and then chromed all together and polish. The chromed pipes really make a difference and the polished bolt heads sparkle like little jewels against the red paint. Difficult to show the effect in photos. I am also removing the engine block bolts and polishing them as I progress.

    Exhaust pipes 07.jpg

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    Here are the two down pipes which allow the remaining inner exhaust pipes to lay down at the final angle on each other.

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    Now back to more flanges which will be a time consuming process but the effect is fantastic.

     
  10. Ken Foran
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    Finally finished up all the exhaust pipe flanges and chromed all the flanges and pipes and removed and polished all the block bolt heads when fitting the pipes. It is starting to now look more like the real engines. Next I will work on the engine mounts to be fitted for the 5/16" frame rails.I also received a third CD from the original builder with incredible detailed photos of the actual build. Looking through the files is like adult car guy porn. Thanks to these pictures I should attain great detailed accuracy for this build. Here are a few pictures of test fitting the pipes. Exhaust pipes 11.jpg
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    Now to sort out the engine mounts.
     
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  11. Ken Foran
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    Fabricating the engine mounts was a bit of a challenge in that there are two different types and when completed the bottom of the engine block has to be parallel to the rails. So after studying the build photos I realized that the rear end of the block mount was the closest to the block so I used it as the starting/pivot point to establish the starting position. The brace arm was duplicated for second engine and adjusted parallel to the blocks on the rails. The front mounts which bolted into the original locations were then cut and adjusted to fit. Here is a sequence showing the mounts being fabricated, plated and finally assembled in place for the left bank of engines. Engine Mounts 01.jpg

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    Next will be to do the right bank of mounts.
     
  12. Deuces
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  13. dreracecar
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    Not that it matters but on the original the mounts were not split and bolted, the tube mount was chromed and then slid over the frame tubing, On the repop, Ivo requested the split design as the other was a pain
     
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  14. Ken Foran
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    Thanks that explains the difference I have seen in various pictures. I will continue using the pictures you provided on the CD’s which may be a mix of both builds.
     
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  15. Ken Foran
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    I finished up the right bank of engine mounts and then I made a CAD drawing of the chassis frame using the dimensions supplied on the CD sketches I received. The drawing was then used to build the various parts. First I had to anneal the 5/16" rails and form the bends slowly to minimize the kinking since I would be unable to fill them with solder. I then filled the kinks with solder and filed them round. I then cut and fitted the cross members with the center and rear having tight fish mouth joints. The front then fitted with mitered joints. The forward cross member was fitted at an angle to attach between the engine mounts. Finally, I machined the front axle connecting plates that are bolted together. The lower half was then soldered to the chassis frame at a 60 degree angle on the right side of the frame. The upper half with be soldered to the axle and will be chrome plated. The engines were then test fitted to the frame rails only requiring a slight modification to the forward engine connectors for a perfect fit.
    Engine Mounts 11.jpg

    Chassis Frame 01.jpg

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    Next will be the building the cockpit frame structure and other chassis details.

     
  16. Atwater Mike
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    Anxiously await the forming/bending of the Kent Fuller Signature cockpit structure.
    The shape of the tubes made the car's 'profile', (also recall the 'Tommy Ivo Chassis', a mid-'60s venture that also 'profiled' beautifully)
     
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  17. dreracecar
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    After you anneal the tubing, mix up a solution of liquid soap and water, fill the tubing, and freeze. Once frozen it will allow you to bend the tubing without kinking because it will support the inner of the tube ,but the soap allows the stretching of the frozen water. YouTube has a video of how brass trumpets are made and how they bend the thin brass without changing the inner shape of the bend. Once bent, hot water releases the solution from the tubing
     
  18. dreracecar
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    Your Cad drawing shows a QC 3rd member with the stock side cover. On the original and re-pop, this was replaced with a steel plate and the axle tube welded and gusseted to it, really had that rear end moved over to the right as much as possable
     
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  19. Ken Foran
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    Yes, since drawing the chassis I have found a couple of pictures showing the QC moved to the right with a fabricated adapter but I am still looking for a clearer image which I saw earlier of what it looks like. If memory serves me right it has four bracing gussets. The drawing is very basic at this point, but I keep adding details as I go; hopefully when done I will have a complete accurate CAD drawing.
    Great idea about the freezing with soapy water for bending; will be giving it a try. Thanks for sharing!!! Now to see it the tube lengths needed will fit in the freezer. Thanks again for your feedback and input and keep me on the right track.
     
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  20. Ken Foran
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    Bruce, thanks again for sharing the frozen tube technique! It worked perfectly and the tubes bent smoothly and perfectly around my fancy bending fixture. Only less than a minute to bend the tube and only required slight adjustment to match the CAD drawing. Now to trim to size and add to frame when time allows. Here you go MIKE!
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  21. nochop
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    Are you Kidding me?......I Wish I could give my 1:1 car that much attention to detail
     
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  22. Ken Foran
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    Bruce I am sorry I had a brain fart. I was talking with an old friend on the phone just before typing and trying to do too many things at the same time.
     
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  23. Ken Foran
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    Yesterday after all the household chores were done I had a very productive day fabricating the cockpit main frame structure and secondary X bracing and one of the steering bearing mounting brackets. The trickiest part was soldering the small adjoining bracket from the frame to the engine bracket. I used Yellow Ochre on the engine bracket flange and bolts so when soldering they did not get soldered as well. All the joints were various angled fish mouth joints on the various sizes of tubes. These were all hand files for tight fits. This frame will eventually be painted gloss black. Still have more fitting to add to this frame work yet.
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    Here is an overall view of where I am at so far.
    Chassis Frame 20.jpg
    Back to adding more brackets and fittings.
     
  24. dreracecar
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    Take a picture with a $1 (0r $100) bill so we can relate to the size
     
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  25. greybeard360
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    Beautiful work!

    As accurate as you are trying to be... Double check the use of FelPro blue head gaskets. Not sure those had been invented yet. They more than likely used steel shim gaskets sprayed with aluminum paint or copper coat.
     
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  26. Ken Foran
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    Greybeard here is the quote from the original builder of the car..."Get some light blue thin cardboard and cut out some Felpro head gaskets. The block plugs were painted with the block.' and that is why they are blue.
     
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  27. Ken Foran
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    Bruce, here you go, could only find a $20 bill.
    20 dollar size.jpg
     
  28. dreracecar
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    Showing a detail , like gaskets brings out the build as more than a blob of plastic engines, The only thing I had available to me at the time of the clone build was the Felpro gasket set and since the motors on the original were gone thru at some later time, had the Felpro gaskets, nobody complained including IVO
     
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  29. Ken Foran
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    Bruce, this one is for you I woke up looked at it sitting there and just could not resist setting this up.
    Overall tire test 01.jpg
     
  30. dreracecar
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    AWSOME
     
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