Forgive me for posting this in another thread, but I figured everyone who wants to see it would be able to see it here instead of buried in the other thread. I made myself an adjustable "Toe Stick" out of electrical conduit and a dowel rod. These pictures probably don't do the entire thing justice, but hopefully you'll get the picture. I snagged a length of conduit from one of those large roll-off dumpsters in front of a store being remodled. The guys inside told me just to take what I needed, so I got plenty! I also go the little sleeve type connectors that have a set screw to hold the two butt ends together. Price so far = $0.00 I then went down to my local hardware store/lumber yard and bought a 3' wooden dowel which was just a hair under the ID of the electrical conduit. I'm thinking I've got 1/2" conduit with a 7/16" wood dowel. Total cost so far = $1.37 (yours may vary) Constructing the device: Step 1: Cut a straight length of conduit out of the middle of the piece salvaged from the dumpster to 48" long. Depending on your need, you could cut it longer or shorter. Step 2: Cut the 36" dowel approximately 6" from one end, and slightly round all 4 edges/ends of the dowel, but be sure to leave the centers flat! Step 3: Add the conduit connectors onto the ends of the conduit, and tighten the screw on the conduit side of the connector. Do this on both ends. Step 4: Add the 6" dowel into one end of the conduit and tighten the set screw into this end so that it cannot move. Step 5: Slide the remaining 30" of dowel into the other end and just slightly tighten the set screw. Tighten it enough to keep the dowel from sliding in and out on its own. You'll still want be able to move it in and out by hand, but have enough resistance to move it easily. Using it: Place the stick between the front of the wheels and extend it to where you're going to be doing your measurements - you'll need to be sure that you can reach the same place on the tires or wheels in the front as in the back. For setting the toe on most vehicles, I like to raise the tires just a hair off the ground and set them down on wooden blocks. I'll then bounce the front of the vehicle to ensure the wheels are setting where they are supposed to be under full load. Extend the stick to the fit the front measuring location, then move it to the back location. Tighten or loosen your toe adjusters until you have almost the same distance between the 2 measuring points. You'll be able to figure this out by when you move the stick from the front to the back (WITHOUT BUMPING THE DOWEL BACK INTO THE CONDUIT) and it just barely touches the 2 measuring points. When you've gotten to this point, you'll next need to adjust the toe "in" about 1/8" on a rear wheel drive, or "out" about 1/8" on a front wheel drive. With this measuring device, 1/8" is almost nothing. If you've gotten to the step above, you're looking at having the stick being tight in the back, and just barely moving between the front. (Vice versa on a front wheel drive) Any car or truck I've ever used this on has never had any problems. We put one I did with this on an alignment rack and it was almost perfect. I've done 5 ton trucks and small cars with this, and it works great.