The Jalopy Journal
Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by racer-x, Sep 19, 2015.
Nice Brian. Pure Music to the ears.
Great work.... Sounds healthy!
Hey Brian, it was awesome hanging around with you for the weekend at back to the 50s. My car was like the ugly chick walking the beach with a supermodel hoping some of the attention will rub off.
I know how you feel Joel I’m gonna be experiencing that this weekend lol
A friend sent me a pic of this green monster in the pits this morning.
Looks like he brought some bits to unload from the “look what followed me home” Chevelle build.
Now that i have decided to put a cross ram on the 427 i brought a few manifolds to sell. One is a original factory unit the other one is a old tarantula. Both are perfect period pieces.
Many years ago there was a guy in my area with a ragtop 68-72 Vette with a 427. He street drove it, street raced it on occasion and also took it to the track (both with slicks on). Was at his house one day and he had a beautifully polished cross ram intake laying around. Asked about it and he had polished it by hand himself with the intent of running it on his car. Why was it just sitting there? He installed it and couldn't get it to run right or to say it better, he ran quicker with a single four. Off it came and there it sat. I have no idea who the manufacturer was or specifically which intake model. As I recall, he ran low elevens with the single four (which was quite quick for a street car in the mid eighties in my area). I should add, I have no idea what carbs he ran or how experienced he was running multiple carbs, just wanted to relay the experience of someone I once knew. I am not a fan of the look of side-by-side dual fours but absolutely love the race hemi, 302 Z28 true cross ram ...
Look up the old threads on cross rams. Many guys were successful running them.
I’ll be running a M/T cross ram on my 32 pickup with a 408 Windsor and four speed. Its no Fuel Coupe but it has derived some inspiration from it.
I have had better days at the track. Lots of work to do to fix this mess. It happened on a burnout. My hunch is a head gasket got torched and hydrauliced number eight. The bearing isnt black and the rod bolts are not broken. Alot of water came out sith the oil. The water at the deck can get so hot it turns to steam. Steam can generate alot of pressure. I might have to start draining the block before a pass. On a good note the new four link setting delivered a 1.20 and a 1.180 sixty foot. Its getting there.
Oh crap, that sucks big time! Unfortunately that is the price you occasionally pay to go fast.
Its not completely junk. Its very fixable. Usually the whole section with the oil pan rail is taken out. It looks like something got between the broken rod and the block. Then pushed it out. Its a perfect hole. The engine will be out tomorrow.
I figured you would have the pan off and inspected tonight it’s not as bad as I thought it would be I hope the crank will be ok thanks for all your help this weekend it was good times till the end lol for the both of us mine isn’t as catastrophic as yours though if There’s anything I can do to help you let me know
Man versus Machine...a fine line always but this engine has a lot to learn as it's Boss is BOSS and unrivalled in the Winning Spirit...Go Brian Go!!!
Glad your okay...
Crap! good luck on the repairs.
Ouch ! I admire your attitude/desire/ambition/dedication. Nitro=More power = more broken parts. I'm an old dizzy track guy and back in my day hobby racer 1970-91 we said $100/minute and wished it was that cheap, you got to be in the $100/second bracket, again probably wishing it was that reasonable. Have at it ! Enjoy ! Memories Priceless !
I have last years crank thats perfect and ready. I have more rods and pistons. With the way the after market race industry is right now its good i have spares. It could take months to get parts. A update willbe coming later today after i get the heads off. That will tell alot. I want to see the head gasket.
After 2 people that I was pitting with broke, I was worried about running again. I still did and it was a good time, sorry to see the that kind of stuff happen. Brian good luck on the fix, I knew you would have the pan off last night. Bryon here we come.
Here is the full damage report. The cam is broken in two. Two sets of lifters are junk. One intake rocker is cracked. Its junk. The cam center cover is junk. The crank is surprisingly good. It will need some attention but its very fixable.
The bad news is the head is cracked. It most likely can be fixed. The chamber can be welded and machined back to original. There is a special cutter besigned to do the job. Two sleeves are junk. I have spares so thats good. The block is missing a chunk at the bottom of the bore. Thats where the water came from. Fixing that becomes more difficult. The registers for the bores will need to be built up then machined to accept a new sleeve. Alot of time and effort will go into fixing this mess. The block and head go to iowa for a accesmentt on friday to see if they can be saved. The one pic shows the damage and what it should look like. You can see into the hollow area that holds the water.
With the amount of work that will go into fixing the block its possible the car will be parked for the rest of the year.
Welcome to nitro racing. I have had much worse.
You’re right,,,,a fair amount of damage indeed !
Nitro can do all that and more in just a few moments.
It can be repaired,,,,,,a skilled welder,,,,craftsman,,,,,can fix it .
Then the machine work to bring back to normal .
At least the main webs are good !
And the crank is not hurt too bad .
What is the timeline to repair the block,,,,,6-8 weeks ?
Nitro is a true engine killer,,,,,,it takes no prisoners .
At some time in the future,,,,you might have to invest in a spare block as well .
Many years ago I read an article that was written by the military during the war effort .
It was about a test to see if Nitro would work as a power adder in fighter planes .
The report read,,,,that although significant power increases were realized,,,,,,catastrophic failure was the end result .
Not a direct quote,,,but very close,,,,,I always remembered the “ catastrophic failure “ part .
Good luck Brian,,,,,several 100 dollar bills to fix this .
The germans were successful using nitro in their planes. Its all in the ttune up.
Wow Brian I know it can be fixed but I really feel for ya I met a guy today who had one of these engines in his basement if I had known then what I know now I would have asked if it was for sale I know he deals in nothing but hemi stuff I’ll get his info for you
I have spent the last month reading this thread from start to now, every post, every word. What a journey you are on! Your car is amazing, and your desire and drive for your goal is second to none!!!
Sorry to read this latest setback, there’s no doubt in my mind that you will rebuild and be back. Thanks for all the technical posts, I am learning a lot. I have learned that you can take your heads off faster than I can change a tire, ha! But seriously, keep with the detailed posts, I appreciate them.
I must say again I'm glad you are okay in that all that was somewhat contained away from you...that is truly a chain of nasty events within a shell of metal within seconds...Glad you take all the precautions you do...
As bad as it is things could have been much worse. There was no oil under the tires at 200mph. There was no fire. I didnt need to test the cage. All good any day in my book. If a guy cant handle some disappointment racing these cars he belongs in the stands eating nachos.
Words of Confidence spoken by a True Competitor...The Green Rocket will be back as the quest for the Checkered Flag is ever evolving...High Fives @racer-x...
Ouch! you will be back even stronger.
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