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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Little Terry, Jul 12, 2021.

  1. Little Terry
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    Hello folks
    I wonder if anyone can help me, please? I have a quick change rear end in my sprint car and it looks like some sort of home made one. I don’t see any form of branding etc on it. I guess the gears inside are off the shelf items that fit other rear ends, but I wonder if you can tell me what they are, as I would like to get a couple more sets. Also it would be handy to find a source of cover gaskets, so that I don’t have to make one every time I swap out the gears.
    Anyway, here are some pictures...
     

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  2. sdluck
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    How many splines in the gears and how wide are they.
     
  3. sdluck
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    Looks like 6 splines.Any numbers on the gears?
     
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  5. alchemy
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    If the lower shaft and pinion are 3" C to C, then it uses the common Halibrand style gears. How wide are the gears? Probably uses V8 style, or Midget style if narrow.
     
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  6. Little Terry
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    The shafts are 3” centre to centre. The gears are 1 1/4” thick - so I’m not sure which ones I need to go for. I thought they would either be 1” or 1 3/8”

    any ideas?
     
  7. You have a fabricated QC. @GearheadsQCE might be able to add some info
     
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  8. Little Terry
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    Does anyone know where my 1 1/4” gears could have originated from? Any help would be great, as I would like to find some other ratios to try out.
    Thanks
    Mark
     
  9. Atwater Mike
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    I'd be very interested to find that out too! (Interesting thread, I must say...)
     
  10. v860rich
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    If your QC is teardrop shaped at the rear it could be some sort of Casale.
    Casale is still in business building boat V Drives.
    I don't remember how wide Casale gear are, but they originally built midget parts.
    THANX RICH
     
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  11. Little Terry
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    Thanks - i have checked it out. The only Casale gears that i can find info on are 10 spline and 1 3/8"

    Could I mill down a set of 1 3/8" gears or would they be way too hard?
    Or maybe fit a spacer behind a set of 1" midget gears?
     
  12. GearheadsQCE
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    @ Little Terry,

    Looks like the other guys pretty much covered it. I would concur that it is likely the common 6 spline used on virtually all Ford V8 based QCs. As you already know, these are currently available in 1" and 1 3/8" widths.

    Is there any clearance between the cover and the gears now? I'd like to see the pinion retaining nut arrangement. Any way that they can be made narrower? Is there a spacer on the lower shaft? Can the change gears be moved forward in the case?

    I have had no luck in milling any Quickchange gears as they are damn hard. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that I haven't found tooling to do it. I have cut one into a square using an abrasive chop saw. If you could fixture them up to get a reasonably straight slice and them finish up on a surface grinder, it might work. That would be and expensive set of gears!

    You could also make a 1/8" spacer for the rear cover.

    If none of that works, buy 1" wide gears and space them out within .020" of the cover.
     
  13. X-cpe
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    Maybe chuck it up on a brake drum lathe and use a die grinder with a stone to get them close.
     
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  14. SilverJimmy
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    McMaster-Carr sells shaft spacers, you could get a couple .250 thick ones and then run the 1” thick gears if you’re not exceeding the HP rating of them.
     
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  15. SilverJimmy
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    Just looked at your pictures again. If you had a machine shop build you a spacer they also could machine an o-ring groove into it for both sides. That would allow you to maybe run the thicker gears and also solve your gasket issues. Just letting my fingers do my thinking!
     
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  16. drtrcrV-8
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    Please send pictures & specifications of the sprintcar & motor, & more importantly, what ratio do you have inside the rearend, & where do you plan to run the car(what size track or road course?)
     
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  17. Little Terry
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    Great idea, thanks!
     
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  18. Little Terry
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    It has a 9-37 ring and pinion. The gear set I have is 22/26 teeth, so gives me
    3.48 or 4.46 according to the charts I have seen.

    The plan is to race this car on the sand. I will need a push truck to get started (no battery start and an in-out box with no clutch). Track is 1/2mile long with 1/8 timed section at the end.

    IMG_0948.JPG

    Motor is a 270ci gmc with triple 97’s.
     
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  19. SilverJimmy
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    Sweet! You’ve got a Jimmy! Please, more pictures of the engine and what’s been done to it, and there is a thread for Inline 6’s in your Hot Rod too you could post the pictures in.
     
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