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Technical Question for the Flathead guys!

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by 19-c, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. 19-c
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    Question? What can one expect for horsepower increase when adding Heads and Dual carbs to a stock 8ba? I understand every situation is unique but no one has every been able to answer this question even in the broadest of terms. 5hp? 10hp? More?
    Thanks!
     
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  2. Cool heads and a dual intake add at least 75 to 100 Visual Horsepower. as for actual, probably not as much as we would like it too.
     
  3. Petejoe
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    I’d guess 5-10 hp. Hardly noticeable.
    Agree on the cool factor.
     
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  4. 19-c
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    flatheads have never been praised for their $ to Hp ratio haha
     
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  5. Kiwi 4d
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  6. alchemy
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    If you paint the block red it will also increase the HP.
     
  7. 19-c
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    I’ve seen it many times lol
     
  8. RMR&C
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    May decrease hp if you don't swap the distributor and/or know how to tune the carbs.
     
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  9. 19-c
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    I had a 39 flathead with a Mallory electronic ignition and really liked it! I felt it really brought that motor around and was also very reliable.
     
  10. Bandit Billy
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    It worked for me! Orange slows motors down.
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    To answer the OP's question, Aluminum heads can increase the compression, add cooling capability as aluminum displaces heat better than iron, which allows for more timing without more heat which is already an issue. Internally there are changes which are more costly but needed if you really want to warm one up. Sky's the limit I guess, my HP cost ended up at $46.75 per HP. Hardly a bargain. A SBC mildly warmed up is probably $17.14 per HP by comparison. Cool points though...that's a whole other enchilada.
     
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  11. 19-c
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    Wow really some great info here great set up in your roadster Billy I also really liked the link that Kiwi posted from H&H some excellent data in it!
     
  12. sloppy jalopies
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    a '51 Merc motor had 112 horse... so adding 10 hp is almost a 10% increase...
    belt the extra pop will feel goooood !
     
  13. nutrocker
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    My flathead story.
    I started with a completely stock french motor. It had a 4” crank and stock cam which was .324” lift.
    I fitted stock Merc iron heads, Chevy points dizzy, a set of home made headers and a triple carb manifold with 3 x 1-3/4” SU carbs. First run on the dyno gave me 87hp. A bit of tuning of the carbs and timing and I came out with 113hp.
    A while later I fitted aluminium heads but never got any dyno numbers, but it didn’t feel any different.
    Later I converted the heads to twin plug and fitted a .395” lift cam. Bit of work on the dyno and I had 149hp. Blew up the motor. Rebuilt it with the same twin plug heads, .395” lift cam but added lots of porting, 3-3/8” pistons, 4-1/4” stroker crank, 1.6” valves etc. 198hp and 400 ft lbs of torque.
    So, for me the heads didn’t make much of a difference, but everything else did.
     
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  14. kbgreen
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    Doesn't that make it a Chevy flathead though?
     
  15. 19-c
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    Thanks KB some great inform to know! Carbs and timing are more of a factor than heads but even with that the change is minimal
     
  16. Pete1
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    On one particular bone stock 239 with 40K miles, an Edelbrock Super manifold with 2 Stromberg 48's, Edelbrock 9 to 1 heads and headers, gained 23 hp. Started with 78. Year 1954.
     
  17. 36 Penny Coupe
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    Here is a real world answer to your question I recently completed and started driving my coupe around town. My car has a 1950 Ford Flathead in a 1936 Ford 5 window. Egge dome top pistons. New Stromberg 97 dual carbs and Edelbrock 74cc high lift heads. Adjustable lifters. Fenton headers with custom high flow dual exhaust. First of all I have no idea of the actual horsepower. I honestly don’t care. What I do know is that the car feels strong and gets up to speed quickly. I’m running a 3 speed top loader that shifts well. For me it has plenty of power and fun to drive. Definitely a way cool weekly driver to work. [​IMG][​IMG]


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  18. 19-c
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    I love hearing about everyone’s experiences and real life scenarios! Thanks for the input everyone. Keep chiming in with your stories! Thanks!
     
  19. Bursonaw
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    The book Flathead Facts has a lot of great information on this subject. The author takes a stock motor and runs it on a dynamometer to test the power increases with different flathead speed equipment.

    In short the book claims noticeable increases with heads and some intake manifolds over stock.

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  20. choffman41
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    In 1958 I was driving a '40 coupe to school with a bone stock flattie. I put aluminum heads and 3X2 97's on it. I don't know if it went slower, but I doubt it went faster.
     
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  21. Pinstriper40
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    My '40 sedan in my avatar has a Merc crank, is bored to 3 5/16", Eddie Meyer high rise 2x2, Mallory ignition, an Isky 77B cam, dual exhaust and Edelbrock heads. I would say it produces somewhere around 150-170 HP. Dual carbs, dual exhaust, ignition and .010 shaved off the stock head surface will bump you up to 135 HP pretty easily, depending on which intake you run. According to Joe Abbin's book, a Thickstun 2x2 isn't a good performer, and the easily found Offenhauser or Edelbrock Super Dual intakes are two of the better intakes to use.
     
  22. Drbrown
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    Go to the Ford Barn and consult "Ol'Ron" who's been racing all his life and wrote the book. News is out - headers don't increase HP unless your existing one's are clogged with carbon, and unless you leave the hood off for people to see some chrome, it won't go faster.
     
  23. chiro
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    My experience (which is limited since it's my first flat motor): Rebuilt 59AB of unknown provenance, but probably really low miles as no ridge in cylinders and honing marks still clearly visible in cylinder bores when I got it. Unknown cam but probably stock, .030 over bore (stamped on top of pitons). I put 9:1 edelbrock heads (swap meet find), Edmunds custom 2-pot manifold, Holley 94 carbs linked together-NOT progressive linkage on it. First fire up showed 150 psi in all cylinders. Took a LOT of fiddling to get it to run the way I wanted it to. Had to rebuild my carbs again (buy a cheap ultrasonic cleaner-they work amazingly well). Had to put smaller jets in (twice) and smaller power valves (3.5 now). Up till then it ran way too rich. Running 46 jets now (stock jets are 51, I believe). Bubba's point distributor, solid core wires, NGK B6L plugs set at .025. Mechanical stock fuel pump with pressure regulated to 2 lbs. Runs out very well now and is a shitload of fun. I am always the ONLY flat motor at any cruise night. Nobody goes, "Oooh!" at a small block Chevy.
    -Andy
     

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