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History Pre War Lake racing w/Customs 8mm Film

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by hotrd32, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. Ry Cooder: Cherry Ball Blues
     
  2. Wow! Awesome! I'd love to get color and sound!
     
  3. Unbelievably inspiring! Thanks so much for sharing!
     

  4. Prewar Colour footage exist....... no more I can say:)
     
  5. Quick Update: I had an eMail from a family that recognized their dad in the film. He's at about 2:06, the guy with the captain's hat in the Deuce roadster. They wrote:

    "His name was Peder Lucas. He was originally from North Dakota, and moved to the LA area with his single Mom. He was an Eagle Scout, worked in the post office, and was a gear head on the side. He eventually was in real estate, and ended up in Lakeside, down in San Diego county. Its too bad Peder is gone, I’m sure he would have liked to have seen this, and brought back the many memories. Peder's two best friends were killed one weekend out racing, and he never went back. It was the reason Peder never wanted his son to race."
     
  6. Park in the Dark Marc
    Joined: Dec 22, 2011
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    Park in the Dark Marc
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    Great footage, thanks for posting.
     
  7. Angry Frenchman
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    bump bump! amazing video. I keep going back and watching it.
     
  8. LANCE-SPEED
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  9. Gotzy
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    Old post doesn't mean not good :)
     
  10. PeteFromTexas
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    Just unbelievable. It's like I was there. It's a dream come true.

    I don't know this car. Can someone tell me more? ImageUploadedByTJJ1347244235.727946.jpg


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  11. 1935 FWD Miller/Ford indy car.
     
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  12. PeteFromTexas
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    Oh dang!! I see the miller FWD setup now. Wow!!


    It was pretty amazing to see the Bob Rufi car in action. I want to clone that thing so bad. I already have the block and some engine parts. Just need a 3 port head
     
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  13. firingorder1
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    Not born too late. El Mirage and dry lake racing is alive and well. Today its a bit faster and in full color.
     
  14. grumpster
    Joined: May 18, 2009
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    from CA.

    Harper Dry Lake (AKA)" Bungholer City". Meet was Oct.6 1940. SCTA.
     
  15. grumpster
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    I am working on list of cars, owners, drivers, and what club each belonged.
     
  16. J.B.
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    To complete the Jimmy B list?

    Below is from Riks website Custom Car Chronicle with some highlights on the kustom cars in the end:

    Jamie Barter, our hot rod contributor watched the footage and has all the answers: “Ok I’ve been doing a little looking It is looking like the footage was shot at the October 4th 1940 scta event”

    •0:05s – 0:05: #9 Bill & Tom Spalding T modified. Riley OHV heads Mercedes roots blower. Post war Don Blair rebuilt it into The Goat.
    •0:10s – 0:17s #8 Danny Sakai Modified outfitted with Mal Ord speed equipment.
    •0:09s – 0:09s #111 Sandy Belond Sandy’s Speed Shop.
    •0:18s – 0:21s #42 Uncle Tommy’s A?
    •0:49s – 0:49s #20 1932 Roadster
    •1:02s – 1:02s #224 T modified.
    •0:58s – 1:04s 1938 Lincoln Padded top.
    •1:09s – 1:14s #360 Sprintcar Streamliner
    •1:14s – 1:22s #9 Spalding bros. Mod
    •1:23s – 1:24s #26 1932 roadster
    •1:24s – 1:25s 1930-31 Model A RPU
    •1:49s – 1:49s #402 Model A Phaeton
    •2:06s – 2:08s #20 ’32 roadster
    •2:23s – 2:25s #410 1935 FWD Miller Ford entered by Willet Brown owned by Tommy Lee speed 116.88mph
    •2:26s – 2:31s #311 1929 A roadster banger
    •2:31s – 2:37s #414 Tommy Lee’s 1931 T-51 Bugatti
    •2:38s – 2:42s #414 Bugatti T-51 straight 8 engine
    •2:42s – 2:51s Tommy Lee
    •2:51s – 2:52s #265 ’32 roadster
    •2:53s – 2:54s ’32 Ford Vicky customized
    •3:07s – 3:09s #350 modified Rod Pugh
    •3:13s – 3:17s #151 ’29 A roadster Clint Seccombe V16 cad 124mph
    •3:17s – 3:24s #113 ’28 A roadster V16 Cad
    •3:28s – 3:30s #69 Bob Knapton / Jim White (aka Jim Harrell of Harrell speed equip.) Mod was later run by Doug Caruthers and is still around as Art Chrisman’s #25 dragster.
    •3:28s – 3:30s #6
    •3:33s – 3:36s 1938/39 Ford Phaeton with dark padded top in unknown to me
    •3:42s – 3:45s #32 1928A roadster
    •3:35s – 3:46s Tommy Lee Kurtis Offy special
    •3:47s – 3:49s #290 Actor Robert Stack’s ’31 supercharged A roadster
    •3:50s – 3:54s 1940 ford coupe from earlier in clip appears to have had a rollover
    •3:54s – 3:56s #244 Arnold Birner’s ’28 A roadster
    •3:56s – 4:00s #265 1932 roadster Hornets
    •4:00s – 4:15s Bob Rufi’s Streamliner
    •4:15s – 4:19s #286 Sakai modified.
    •4:20s – 4:24s #2 entered/driven by Bill Spading. Roadster owned by Bill Kurten. Riley OHV Engine owned by Gene Von Arx.
    •4:24s – 4:39s Earle Bruce ’40 Ford Custom
    •4:29s – 4:29s #44 sprintcar streamliner class
    •4:40s – 4:43s #155 T modified
    •4:43s – 4:47s #270 T modified
    •4:47s – 4:54s #265 ’32 roadster
    •4:54s – 4:56s Tommy Lee Kurtis Offy special
    •4:56s – 4:59s #265 ’32 roadster

    We wanted to highlight the custom cars in this fantastic movie footage.

    (0:58s – 1:04s)The 1938 Lincoln Custom in this movie is amazing. We have not been able to find out much about the car but Ron Brooks shared two photos of this amazing early Custom Car with us some time ago. Ron was told the car had an Hall created padded top. The car has some wonderful lines and a bit of an European look with its running boards removed. It is amazing to see it driving.

    (2:53s – 2:54s) A nice looking’32 Ford Vicky with white wall tires, 1939 Ford taillights and chrome license plate surround mounted on the back, possibly with a recessed plate. The car has a nice custom feel to it. But unfortunately we have never seen any other photos of it.

    (3:33s – 3:36s) The 1938/39 Ford Phaeton with dark chopped padded top is also unknown to us. It looks to have a Custom grill that could be based on a 1938 Lincoln? It is an really great looking car with removed running boards and stainless rock guards on the rear fenders.

    (4:24s – 4:39s) 1940 Ford is obviously Earl Bruce his Roy Hagy Chopped coupe. Two things are typical for this car. The chopped rear window (most chopped 1940 coups have stock heigh rear windows) and the front fender flares at the bottom. And again this early custom car has its running boards removed… This really was hot in the late 1930′ early 1940′s.

    This movie show use one new thing about the Earl Bruce coupe that we had not seen before. Apparently the early version of this car used the 1939 or 40 standard headlights. We had only seen photos of this car with the 1940 Ford DeLuxe headlights.
     
  17. TBone69
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    WOW WOW WOW!!!!!

    Not sure how I missed this but glad to have found it.

    Great look into the early days of Hot Rodd'in, thanks for sharing!
     
  18. David Zivot
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    Hello Vikmo (J.B.)!
    In the interest of exactitude,
    I'd like to reiterate,
    (that at 3.47s into this film):
    Definitely not Robert Stack gow job
    in above post showing pre-War lakes film footage.
    Besides the obvious inconsistencies
    such as passenger car grill shell, splash apron still intact, wrong wheels and tires, etc,
    there are many others.
    My conversations with Robert Stack indicated he never installed that blower on his four banger,
    was just "handling it" in the Universal Studios publicity shot.
    Besides, the blower on the car in the footage is the earlier style McCulloch.
    The guy pushing the car is clearly not Robert Stack
    in stature, coloring, or facial features.
    I indeed am the extremely fortunate fellow
    that owns the original Model B Cragar OHV converted engine
    that Robert Stack ran at the dry lakes pre-War.
    I am endeavoring to do an accurate replication of his roadster built around that motor.
    Thanks for mentioning it.
    Anybody having additional photographs of Bob Stack's Model A roadster
    not commonly seen I'd appreciate a heads up!
    By the way, Kent,
    did you ever sell your splendid '40 Mercury custom?


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  19. David, thank you for the additional info.
    I removed Robert Stack's name from the list.

     
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  20. 3wLarry
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    Don't know if this has been shown here before...found it just a little while ago. Looks to be some early footage with some now famous cars in it....awesome stuff...enjoy.

     
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  21. dragsled
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    Very good quality film , Thanks ,
     
  22. I can't believe how close the timing stand was to the course!
     
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  23. Nope, not seen that before.
    Watch, rewind, watch, pause, pause, rewind, repeat....
    Thanks for posting Larry!
     
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  24. volvobrynk
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    This is such an awesome video! I really like it!
     
  25. Petejoe
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    Would love to hear those engines firing down the salt. How cool is this!
    Notice 90% of them are roadsters without windshields or roll bars?
    The beginnings of racing in its raw form. damn...
     
  26. 2NDCHANCE
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    Thanks for posting. Gary
     
  27. 3wLarry
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    from Owasso, Ok

    did you catch the Riley overhead conversion?
     
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