Tim, The answer to this is No matter how many times guys are warned and told and they will still buy that shit that Drew Hoffman sells because they simply can not resist the cheap prices. Even guys who know better will still order that garbage and use it. Everybody wants a deal! Trouble is when dealing with anything that comes from the Hoffman Group the only thing you get is Fucked! The truth is I understand that those super cheap prices are hard to stay away from when it cost so much to build a car these days, But that shit just is not safe to be on the road! I have had guys bring me frontends that they ordered from Johnny law motors and want me to use it in a frame build for them and I refuse to have anything to do with any of that shit! I see guys advertising right here in the classifieds some of that garbage. Here is the deal, For me Hot rods is not a hobby. It is a big part of my life! I don't give a shit who wins the world series or the super bowl. Whatever time I am not directly with my family I am Hotroding. So when a clown like Drew Hoffman devalues and sells Unsafe garbage to guys who do not know any better, I take it personal!