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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Robert J. Palmer, May 18, 2016.

  1. You think the mill is crazy, What are those wheels? Here is an engine that my grandson and I spotted on a road trip. IT IS ODD BALL!!! And funny. 022.jpg
     
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  2. The 347 Flathead Cadillac,becoming less of an oddball over the last few years
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    A few modern photos-

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  3. Welp, gotta admit, never seen a setup like that before on a poncho motor - but I like it!

    BTW, won't that engine builder go to hell for putting later enamel on an early motor?
     
  4. nrgwizard
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    Hey, John; Thanks for posting that.
    Marcus...
     
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  5. BigDrag
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    You may never see that set up again, Rochester carbs replaced the Meteor fuel injectors. They started leaking fuel after a few years and parts are nonexistent...though I heard this guy in Austin has a whole stash of them N.O.S.
    BTW the gods were consulted and they approved the paint.
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  6. The blue one here is not a Miller, it is a Delage; a 1927 Grand Prix car. The engine is a 1.5 litre supercharged straight eight which makes about 200 hp. The crankshaft has all ball and roller bearings; nine ball mains and eight roller rod bearings. Plenty of info on the net. One of only about four built.

    You can hear the wonderful sound of a high revving straight eight here -
     
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  7. (grin). In either case, that's truly a sweetheart setup.
    And it's a Pontiac -so there's that!
     
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  8. "And the Americans always say... there ain't no substitute for cubic inches!"

    Yeah, I know the thing is going into a 3-wheeled thing-a-ma-jig, but its the "I think I can, so I must" mentality I love most about street rods.

     
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  9. BigDrag
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    Thanks for correcting my error on the Miller identification. There were a few race cars I've never knew existed at the meet....any idea on what powered this car?
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    added more picts. interesting car...
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  11. dan c
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    one i was waiting for was a pontiac slant 4!
     
  12. draggin'GTO
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    Here's a pretty wild Tempest 4-banger in mock-up stage.

    Basically half of a 389 at 194.5 cubes, it shares all standard Pontiac V8 internals except the 180-degree 4-banger crankshaft.

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  13. Inline Buick 8 with homemade intake/header, I saw at the Return to the Milltown show in Mass.
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  14. cross-flow head, magneto, a 1 into 2 into 3 into 6 intake - I see a great potential for horsepower.

    Oh, and 707 cubes - no substitute for cubic inches...

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  15. oldsmobile_auction_record_3.jpg same family engine, already mounted in a "street rod" - just needs some lakes pipes is all...

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  16. theHIGHLANDER
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    As seen at the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg museum. The order is off and I didn't get more than "What is it?" on the sign. There's also a pic of an Auburn 12, the later versions being 500 CI and found in LaFrance fire trucks. The last pic was in our entry/transportation for the weekend, a 29 Duesy, J-239 making it's 1st outing in public since 1969. Who can argue one of the 1st and most iconic of hot rods? IMG_20150904_202319548_HDR.jpg IMG_20150904_202348404.jpg IMG_20150904_202419334_HDR.jpg IMG_20150904_202608593_HDR.jpg
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    I'm going to add something here. Click on the pic above for full size and look just below the front of the intake, there's a unit with the tall polished aluminum body attached to a mechanical timer, driven by a shaft which also operates the fuel pump. Note the wires running to the "box" portion. That's a timer. It tells you when to change the oil, when to check and fill the battery, when to lube the chassis (manually) and when the chassis is getting lubed automatically with a Bijur system and mechanical pump by lighting indicators on the instrument panel. Just to the right is the face of the fuel pump with a 'T' handle that's showing. That's a mechanical/manual pump feature to prime the carb after extended sitting, All in this ol pretty girl:
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    Look at the ends of the instrument panel, the 2 large "dots" are the indicator lights. All that polish, plating and paint on the motor, engine turning on the dash, just as it was in 1929.
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  17. 63dan63
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    This 1969 Pontiac Ram Air III is going in my '31 Model A
     
  18. porknbeaner
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    OK quick question and it looks like you are it for the answer. I have never had one of those apart, does the original cam shaft have some lobes missing or did Poncho just use a standard V8 cam shaft in them?
     
  19. draggin'GTO
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    They're definitely not the same as a V8 cam, only 8 lobes and ground for the 4-cylinder firing order.

    Here's the flat-tappet cam with .400" lobe lift complete with mushroom lifters that were removed from this vintage drag engine during tear down.

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  20. mcyunger
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    great pictures, a lot of gears turning in the head.
     
  21. porknbeaner
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    Thanks that's cool. It is not something I can say that I always wondered about but it has crossed my mind a time or two. Those old bangers are hard to find.
     
  22. swifty
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    That's a sweet looking motor and it's great to see something different for a change. Are they Moon valve covers you're running.
     
  23. draggin'GTO
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    Here's a couple more 'odd-ball' vintage Pontiac V8s, a fresh 370 HP '64 421 HO and a weathered 280 HP '59 389 patiently waiting for its return to glory.

    I just have to laugh a bit when a Pontiac V8 is considered an 'odd-ball' hot rod engine. A modern design that was first produced in 1955 that was ahead of its time, a design good enough to live through to 1979 with relatively minor engineering changes. Mickey managed 406 MPH with a quartet of the '59 389s, Pontiac V8s more than proved their worth on both NASCAR tracks and 1/4-mile drag strips. Many forget they were a popular big-cube swap for the street back in the '50s and '60s as well.

    I guess anything that's not a Hemi, Nailhead, Cad, Olds, SB Chevy, Ford Y-block or flathead V8 just isn't 'normal' hot rod material. :confused:o_O

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  25. mcyunger
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    we have seen pictures of mickey thompson using this engine in land speed and drag racing. this is the first time seeing a modern picture of one. thanks. very cool.
     
  26. At the risk of turning this thread into a Pontiac engine extravaganza, here's my 57 Pontiac engine bored from 347 cu in to 370......0.125" overbore with Jahns pistons, hotrod cam, later big valve heads with screw-in rocker studs and pushrod guide plates and a pair of AFB's. Bottom end has forged crank & rods.... Runs great! Went into my 34 ford coupe.
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  27. 63dan63
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    cal custom chromed
     
  28. I never met a Pontiac motor I couldn't love.
    Never thought they were oddballs either. Of course growing up just above Pontiac Michigan, I might have been a bit biased.
     

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