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Hot Rods OCTOBER BANGER THREAD not so frightening yet.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Weeks46, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. BCCHOPIT
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    I was thinking of the power size not over all size I just dont wont to give it too many AMP.s and brake the starter
    thanks for the PORN Weeks:D:D:eek:
    Bill
     
  2. srosa707
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    Can you guys help me with a stupid question real quick?

    Im trying to get this 28 pickup wired up right. Most of the wiring is crap-o. I pulled the headlight and taillight wiring and ran the test light. No matter where the headlight switch is, there is power to the headlights and taillights. Is this correct? Like I said, most of the wiring is fudged, so im trying to back track and run nicer, cleaner wires. Help me out fellas, im off all night!
     
  3. revkev6
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    you can't "give" too many amps. battery amperage is the ability of the battery to deliver amperage. think of it like using 1" fuel line instead of 3/8". just because you use a bigger line that can handle twice as much fuel, doesn't mean that the motor is going to use twice as much fuel.

    the starter will only draw as much as it needs.
     
  4. TBone69
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    Hey Folks,

    i know I need to pick up a shop manual one of these days but until I do how do I go about removing the driveshaft from the rear.

    From the exploded parts view from my parts catalog is looks like it is keyed and bolted to the pinion gear. What holds this into place as it seem the whole assembly would come out bearing and all or do I need to take the whole rear apart.

    Thanks
    TBone
     
  5. Most of the catalogs from model "A" parts suppliers have basic wiring diagrams
     
  6. thepolecat
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    Hey banger buds- if anyone is near me in acworth would you mind if I came over and did some engine bay research? I am about to run all my wiring and other junk but i want to really get in and look at some banger engine bays. if you dont mind me coming by and really checking the car out PM me so I can come by.

    Ther is only so much pictures can tell me.
     
  7. BCCHOPIT
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    OK sounds good to me. I dont know way I didnt think of that
    thanks Bill
     
  8. thepolecat
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    ^ thanks for the pics offer Bill!
     
  9. JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

  10. ebtm3
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    Figured that it was about time for me to try to post some pix of my banger. '27 Chevy block, counterballanced and drilled for pressure crank, three port Olds head, 3/4 cam about 7-1 compression. Light flywheel, Volvo 4 speed trans, Ford straddle mtd. pinion rear. Ford front axle, 14" front brakes. Scratch frame, body aluminum over ash framework, glass T Ford fenders.



    Herb Kephart
     

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  11. BCCHOPIT
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    SWEEEEEEEET....Very cool
    thanks for the pics Bill
     
  12. Crazydaddyo
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    I've been hearing a lot about this car lately and thought that I might post a picture to maybe start some dialog about it. If you know the car, tell us what you know.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Crazyd- is that a Miller carb on there?
     
  14. Crazydaddyo
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    Mac,
    The car was originally built by Ed Winfield, so I'd say that it is a Winfield carb.

    Look close at the crankshafts in front of the car.

    .
     
  15. Bigcheese327
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    Wow, very cool. Makes me think of what a guy just back from the War might have built after seeing an MG-TA or -TB in England. Kind of like a road-going version of Duffy Livingstone’s Eliminator (in spirit, anyway).

    What's a "strattle mounted pinion rear"?

    -Dave
     
  16. noboD
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    Looks to me like the firing order is F'ed up. Teach us Daddyo.
     
  17. Cris
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    It's the 'two up two down' car. Or at least the motor from that car (or parts of the motor from that car), with a car wrapped around it that looks like the car that was originally wrapped around it, but MIGHT not be the actual car.

    Cris
     
  18. Two up two down... very nice!

    Wonder what it sounded like... hmmmm...
     
  19. ebtm3
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    Dave asked-

    What's a "straddle mounted pinion rear"?

    Ford rears up to late '32 had a double row tapered roller bearing on the forward side of the pinion, which was fastened to the driveshaft with a key and a taper on the shaft similar to the wheel/axle arrangement. After this, the pinion still had a double taper bearing ahead of the pinion, but the pinion had a cylindrical portion to the rear of the gear mesh point, which had a straight roller bearing for added support. These pinions have a spline cut on the forward ends, and couple to the driveshaft with a internally splined sleeve.

    Herb Kephart
     
  20. ebtm3
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    The Winfield car had pistons 1 and 2 at the top, and 3 and 4 at the bottom, instead of the common 1 and 4 up when 2 and 3 are down. No Idea what it sounded like, but it had to have a tremendous amount of end to end vibration. The reason for doing this is because with two intake ports in the T block, you have a firing order of 1-3-4-2---so 3 and 4 follow one another sucking mixture through the rear port, then 2 and 1 do the same through the front port. In each case the second cylinder gets less of a charge.
    With Windfields arrangement each cylinder drew its charge through alternating ports, so the cylinders were more evenly charged.


    Herb Kephart
     
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  21. Don't know a thing about it other than my pants just got tighter! Where is that?
     
  22. what do you want know??
     

  23. Let's start with everything...:D

    Something tells me that you've had your hands on it at one point, maybe?
     
  24. BCCHOPIT
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    READ... Secrets of Speed
     
  25. BCCHOPIT
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    sorry I looked in my pile I didnt see the magazine . I get them from a friend
    I must of gave it back
     
  26. Crazydaddyo
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    I was hoping that this would entice Bluto back into the banger discussion.

    It is the Winfield 2 up 2 down recreation. There is original parts on this car, but I don't know to what extent. This car was very successful on race tracks here on the the west coast. It so regularly won races, that it discouraged many would be performance parts builders not to pursue marketing their products. It beat Miller powered cars so regularly, that it is said that Miller decided not to produce his head. This is the definition of innovation in my book.

    There is a story of Ed Winfield driving this car to a race in Bakersfield from Los Angeles. He was running through a flat section of the Central Valley at over 130 mph when he passed a police man on the side of the road on a motorcycle. Ed said that when he pulled into the track that the cop had been chasing him for 20 mins.

    L.A to Bako is a 2.5 - 3 hour drive today. Imagine what it was back in the mid 20's.

    .
     
  27. RussTee
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    i think the giveaway is the inport manifold yup two up two down motor boy i would love to hear it run Louis Chev said i see it but i dont believe it
     
  28. 30 A coupe
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    it's in the Wally Parks NHRA Automotive Museum, Pomona. Last year anyway here are some more pics
    Twilight Cruise 04-06-2008 - 051.JPG

    Twilight Cruise 04-06-2008 - 053.JPG

    Twilight Cruise 04-06-2008 - 054.JPG

    Twilight Cruise 04-06-2008 - 055.JPG

    Twilight Cruise 04-06-2008 - 056.JPG

    cheers,

    Eddy:)
     
  29. srosa707
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    So I got the wiring partially figured out. I took the whole wiring out of the end of the driveshaft. It was attached with bailing wire! How is the cap supposed to be fastened onto the driveshaft? Whenever I hit the the light switch, it wants to push the cap off. HELP!
     
  30. A-zonie
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    Crazy Daddio,
    There's an article about the restoration of the 2 up and 2 down engine and Ed Winfield's race car in the latest issue of the Vintage Ford, the quarterly mag of the Model T Ford Club of America. Not a lot of tech info but there are more pics and general info. Worth a read.
    The same issue has an article on Joel Young's Model T engine powered streamliner that set a record of 160+ mph at Bonneville this past August.
     

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