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Technical ***October 2022 Banger Meet Thread - Happy All Hallows Eve**

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Oct 1, 2022.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
    Posts: 444


    Link to previous month:

    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    Eastern Fall Nationals October 4-6 – Hershey, PA

    Velocity Invitational October 14-16
    Leguna Seca
    Stay safe.

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    phone: 951-695-7313.

    A few links to speed equipment companies there maybe more

    Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:

    Banger basics. another info link list:

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post

    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers

    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    Chevy Banger Stuff

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:

    New Banger Block in the Works

    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2022
  2. noboD
    Joined: Jan 29, 2004
    Posts: 8,096


    It's Hershey time!
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  3. Checking in,
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  4. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
    Posts: 4,345

    from middle ca.

    good morning all
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  5. Here, in spite of mother nature....

    Glad to see you back in form Jiminy
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  6. denis4x4
    Joined: Apr 23, 2005
    Posts: 4,067

    from Colorado


    Colors cruise the other day
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  7. wheeltramp brian
    Joined: Jun 11, 2010
    Posts: 1,953

    wheeltramp brian

    Checking in, just oil leaks for me
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  8. Soooo.....who wants to help me get this running?

    20220930_230310.jpg 20220930_230321.jpg

    I know nothing of the internal condition of this engine, so it's coming out for tear down and inspection.

    Crossflow head, on b block.
  9. Cal at the Hot Rod Revue here in New Zealand did this cool video on my T.


  10. raaf
    Joined: Aug 27, 2002
    Posts: 752


    Greg - great video. Beautiful car.

    May I ask which grind you went with on your cam?
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  11. Thanks it was the wilder option of Brierly cam
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  12. I'm here! Wanted to go to RPM's But got call out & just got back! Almost caught my breath! Now I've got 13 days to prepare the car for the "Velocity Invitational" at Laguna Seca. "Piece of Cake"! gezzers2019 (2).jpeg
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  13. raaf
    Joined: Aug 27, 2002
    Posts: 752


    @Greg Stokes - do you know if you went with the M-21 or M-102?

    Jim said the M-102 is definitely wilder, I'm trying to find someone who has used it to tell me how streetable it is. Jim says it's right on the edge - curious what that translates to both from a power and drivability standpoint.

    Thank you!
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  14. Dustyp489
    Joined: Feb 1, 2008
    Posts: 213


    Checking in,
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  15. Dan from Oakland
    Joined: Jan 16, 2009
    Posts: 84

    Dan from Oakland

    Did Jim give you specs on that grind?
  16. winduptoy
    Joined: Feb 19, 2013
    Posts: 3,018


    IMG_20220930_124551805.jpg Geo. Riley flathead banger made it to the Gathering at the Roc and back...1400 trouble free miles
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  17. Dedsoto
    Joined: Jan 7, 2014
    Posts: 298

    from Australia
    1. Aussie HAMBers

    Checking in, had the Red Dust Revival at Lake Perkolilli, Western Australia, last month. Once again, I was too busy having fun to take pictures but there will be plenty of stuff coming out over the next month or so.


    We broke the 400 mile trip home into a two night camping trip, spent the second night at a long abandoned town called Mount Palmer and had the place to our self, not that there's much of anything left. Perfect spot to tool around in the roadster for the afternoon.


  18. Savage Coupe
    Joined: Jun 20, 2020
    Posts: 56

    Savage Coupe
    from Washington

    PNW banger activities
  19. burl
    Joined: Nov 28, 2007
    Posts: 798

    from Minnesota

    Checking in for the month. Close to finishing up another special head and button up this engine. IMG_6501.jpg
  20. D Newcomb
    Joined: Oct 14, 2020
    Posts: 280

    D Newcomb

    Hope SSOS sees this thread! Newc
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  21. 4bangerbob
    Joined: Jun 29, 2013
    Posts: 111

    from AB, Canada


    attached is a list of Jim's grinds for your reference.

    Attached Files:

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  22. 4BangerDean
    Joined: Aug 10, 2013
    Posts: 201


    I’d also like to hear from someone with experience with the M-21 cam.
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  23. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
    Posts: 3,315


    I have run the M-21 in a B engine bored .100" over with a Rutherford head and @ 9:1 comp. ratio, Three Stromberg carbs (97 as primary and two 81's as secondaries) 20# alum flywheel and T-5 trans. Ran very strong ans with the 5 speed was very streetable. It liked to rev. and break crankshafts. The last one was a Scat crank.

    . DSCN1970_zpseb839f8b.JPG
  24. wheeltramp brian
    Joined: Jun 11, 2010
    Posts: 1,953

    wheeltramp brian

  25. It left a mark ……

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  26. raaf
    Joined: Aug 27, 2002
    Posts: 752


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  27. Yeah no,
    I feel it was an issue with the crank

    I have used bigger cams without issues

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  28. 4bangerbob
    Joined: Jun 29, 2013
    Posts: 111

    from AB, Canada

    b crank.jpeg John

    Is the area circled showing an oil feed hole or is it just part of the broken journal?
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  29. Drilled oil feed hole, approx 8% of the journal area. Typical Mod "A" journal size.

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  30. guitarguy
    Joined: May 26, 2008
    Posts: 647


    Do you feel it was a material deficiency, or more of a high power living on 3 main journals issue?

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