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Featured Technical ***October 2020 Banger Meet Thread - Spooky Month & Year***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Oct 1, 2020.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    Everything is cancelled


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/


    Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
    http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm
     
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  2. wheeltramp brian
    Joined: Jun 11, 2010
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    Checking in.new head is working out good.gotta get some matching green for the housing 20200912_104529.jpg
     
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  3. winduptoy
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    Check, Check 1243
     
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  4. Binger
    Joined: Apr 28, 2008
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    from wyoming

    Checking in from Cheyoming!!!
     
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  5. denis4x4
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    from Colorado

    Checking in from colorful Colorado
     
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  6. Dustyp489
    Joined: Feb 1, 2008
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    Just checking in
     
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  7. "All Dressed Up; but Nowhere to Go"! Looking back a few years 20150417_095015 (2017_06_30 15_13_08 UTC).jpg 2014-01-12 10.00.42 (2017_06_30 15_13_08 UTC).jpg
     
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  8. Actually did get the old banger fired up in the 68B and it moved around the place under it's own power yesterday - the last day of Sept. Thinking it might be time to go thru the carb as it's been on there for about 7 years or so.
     
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  9. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
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    from middle ca.

    same ole stuff / different day
     

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  10. joemac05
    Joined: Jul 29, 2006
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    Checking in with my new instrument panel, sorry about the non traditional gauges, I'll look through my stash for some more appropriate models. :rolleyes:

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  11. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
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    BILL !! “I asked you not to give the kid ....the hopped up car keys” LOL
    KID, What happened ?
    ‘Speed Kills’....paint jobs ?
     
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  12. Kiwi 4d
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    Progress still too darn slow on the B4 , clearance the mains for decent oiling between the bearing from the modified trough. Selected a medium to hot cam , thats what i select for chilli too . 2215B1E2-3F76-47AA-8B08-A7D5DBFECB1C.jpeg 6BE18947-BAA3-45A5-A0BD-2936421BECCA.jpeg C04EC889-9A1F-4444-8969-7AD3C9C0FC2C.jpeg CC934F42-4EF9-4FEE-B505-F10B03F82251.jpeg
     
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  13. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
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    punch in,suit up and swing into it..41 connie spindles,Adrian,the apprentice bought a '41 continental axle and a '46 ford axle,he's harvesting the lincoln brakes..he says he's going to use the ford spindles on account of the lincoln spindles having built in king pin inclination..kids these days,had to explain why that few degrees is so joyful..
     
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  14. Has anyone put modern pistons from something like a 283 chevy in a T block? Also any other modern engine parts that could work internally of the T block?

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  15. railcarmover
    Joined: Apr 30, 2017
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    railcarmover

    Being the diligent lad,his research says there will be some camber introduced as well.. we figure the actual deviation is .14" per degree,4 degrees on the assembled axle,2 degrees a side..so now the debate is to either live with it or tweak the 4" drop axle. I told him to live with it,negative camber is a good thing,to a degree... (pun intended)
     
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  16. hardtimesainit
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    Were you able to check the bearing fit against your crank cheek radii. They look to be ‘hanging outward’ in the one pic ?
    Guys (me) say crank turns TOO much torque needed....even tho the plastaguage readings are where you want and torque is precisely done. Been there done that. Your work looks good for oiling !
     
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  17. 51 mercules
    Joined: Nov 29, 2008
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    Just curious what is a good muffler for a slightly hopped up banger. I'm running a straight pipe right now, no muffler. Thank you!
     
  18. Chopp'd49
    Joined: Feb 20, 2011
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    After driving my 29 for 30 minutes, and then pulling it in the garage, I drained the oil. Why would it be as cold as oil on The shelf is?
     
  19. winduptoy
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    Where you been Leon....never mind, I see beer
    @Gary in MN he might know about the T stuff
     
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  20. Kiwi 4d
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    @hardtimesainit , good spotting , yep i very certain my engine guru did comment on the radius and check radius clearance. I believe you are looking at pic 2 and if I am correct pic 3 shows some clearance. He is the kind of guy that leaves nothing to chance . But everyone is human <
     
  21. V4F
    Joined: Aug 8, 2008
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    is the oil circulating ? sounds like something important is not correct . did you have oil pressure ?
     
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  22. Chopp'd49
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    no oil pressure gauge. Oil pump In place correctly, screen clean and clear after tear down. Intermediate shaft gear engaged with oil pump.

    going to test the pump later today.
     
  23. hardtimesainit
    Joined: Jan 24, 2009
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    Hey Kiwi ,
    Starting or trying to run without that clearance...might cause BIG problems.
    Good luck and please let us know how it goes !
    NOTE:
    Take ‘expert’ advice under consideration....but verify !
    In my case, I followed expert parts use that is in writing ! Well, would have been disaster had I fired off engine. Double checked with another expert thankfully !
     
  24. I've been taking a break from things.... I got my engine for my racer project and its 1917 Henry Ford crate fresh... so I am looking for ideas to improve performance and also add to convenience as far as getting being able to go to any parts store and grab things off the shelf rather than wait. Also trying to get the best bang for the buck.... as we all are.

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  25. Forgot to ask some pics.... this thing has factory babbit with 0 wear on anything... 20200920_153732.jpeg 20200920_153647.jpeg

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  26. V4F
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    yes people have used 283 pistons . do not know specifics
     
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  27. johnneilson
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    It really is not difficult, make sure that the crank has some thrust clearance and rotates without any binding.
    I typically will assemble the bearings and crank into the block without the seals in place to verify clearances and use something like 90wt gear oil. This provides plenty of lubrication for the checking of clearances and does not cause undue drag.
    I have disassembled a few motors over the years that had trash and metal chips between the shell and block/cap.
    All of the had worn thru the top coatings and into the steel shell without siezing or spinning the bearing.
    Those must have been difficult to rotate at first, but that is production.

    The bearing work looks good, plenty of oil passage, make sure to run a filter, J
     
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  28. fine29
    Joined: Sep 13, 2008
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    from Des Moines

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  29. What could you tell me? I am looking for the biggest bang for the buck so to speak.

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  30. johnneilson
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    Leon,

    I am not sure what the base bore in the "T" motor is, I am pretty sure it is smaller than the 283 piston.
    To help you get the answers, I would recommend getting your hands on one of the old TRW parts books.
    These are out of print but can be found at used book stores, my fav, 1978, E-178.
    This series of catalogs has not only the part numbers, but also has the progressive size charts.
    Pistons are bore size, CH and pin listings.
    Valves, pushrods and guides also.

    It is not like the auto parts listings, make, year and model.
    I gave the bearing numbers to a store manager once, he could not find them, so make, model etc.
    He could not find bearings for a 1929 Model A................

    John
     
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