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Technical ***November 2018 Banger Meet - Weather Changing***

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Jiminy, Oct 31, 2018.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
    November 4th, So. Cal. Hill Climb

    November 10th - 11th, El Mirage

    2019 International Speedsters Trials & Reunion June 19th-22nd, 2019

    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:


    Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $31.00 for color, $24.00 for B/W (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
    Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
    email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
    phone: 951-695-7313.


    Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498


    Banger basics. another info link list:
    http://www.fordgarage.com/


    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
    and this link shows the missing image from the above post
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055


    The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/


    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html


    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461


    Helpful Model A tools and tips:
    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html


    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109


    Elrod's stuck head tech:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487


    Model A generator to alternator conversion:
    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html


    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173


    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465


    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10


    T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226


    New Banger Block in the Works
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/new-banger-block-in-the-works.616056/
     
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  2. blgitn
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    Checking in.
     
  3. denis4x4
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    from Colorado

    Finishing a brake job and installing tube shocks B154593A-199E-46A2-995D-591A930BDCD9.jpeg
     
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  4. Crazydaddyo
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    No news is no news.

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  5. johnneilson
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    what about fake news............
     
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  6. noboD
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    It doesn't exist or it wouldn't be fake.
     
  7. Kiwi 4d
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    60D0C3E6-FF41-45B3-8D21-55B04309EB62.jpeg F750AAEA-932B-4CAA-859C-5E8E3B018331.jpeg Swapped in a 35/36 rear with 3.54 gears into the banger 32 today. Relatively straight forward , used 35/36 radius rods shortened about 15” . Used a 35/36 spring with scallops ground at spring perch points to mimic the 32 spring curve with teflon lined spring pack , as these were already in the spring. Juice brakes all fitted OK. Park brake worked great also.
    The original 32 rear had dodgy welded spring hangers , probably from some one cutting them off to fit in a lathe as it had new bearing races on the axle ends. They looked like an accident waiting to happen.
    Think I will need a 17 or 18 count speedo turtle .
    The rear sits approx 1” lower , but the axle moved only 1/4” forward , but visually looks more unfortunately. Though the spring rate feels great and still 4”of travel so able to carry a decent load.
    Nothing is painted fancy as this is how the 32 looks ,used and fun ,ready to haul.
     
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  8. drtrcrV-8
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    Good tip for an easy way to get 3.54 rear gears!
     
  9. V4F
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    from middle ca.

    nice truck
     
  10. JT1930
    Joined: Jul 1, 2018
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    953CA5EC-D146-45B9-AE11-11019EFA4884.jpeg Don’t know if anyone has ran into this problem but good to know and check. Sorry for the novel post.

    My banger has the FSI distributor and plug wires they make. After putting the dual updraft carb setup on the car was sputtering and running like crap full throttle. (Idle and blipping the throttle was fine) So thinking it was a fuel issue being too rich since plugs were sooted up I began to play with jet sizes. Still same symptoms. As I pulled the first plug wire I noticed it was turning. The plug wire ends are a screw in type of connector. All were loose but cylinder 1 and 2 were the worst. Recut all wires and put a dab of red loc-tite on screw ends. Just something to check in case you’re at a loss or get a brand new wire set from them. Other than that I love this ignition.


    Also hello from Rhode Island......
     
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  11. V4F
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    I use wire wires from racing ap . no troubles here
     
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  12. Binger
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    Checking in from Cheyoming!

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  13. winduptoy
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    Kiwi 4d is going to build an OHV Banger, Cragar/Miller head engine. IMG_20170325_172737085.jpg
    This is for him....well and anyone else who cares....because this photo didn't make it on the thread he started and I replied to...
    The spring cap had interference with the rocker or the rocker with the cap...they collided in the closed position.
    Used offset keepers to lower the cap, it also helped with closing pressure on the springs. I recall the shim between the rocker stand and the head was in the neighborhood of .032" to help with the contact placement of the rocker on the valve stem. Got to remember to put a hole in the shim that corresponds with the oil passage to the rocker shaft.

    That's my check in for the month.

    Larry
     
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  14. Johnny Nitro
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    Back with another question:

    Is anyone running the new Edelbrock 94? What jets, and pv are you running? I seem to be running rich. Also, is there a way to determine what pv you need I you don’t have access to manifold vacuum?
     
  15. winduptoy
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    No direct experience with the repop 94. On my original, B cam, A engine, Lion head. I have adjustable main jets. I'm running a 4.5 power valve.

    Good luck

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  16. MJW
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    1. PA. NJ. local HAMBERS group

    On my last banger with an original 94 I ran 50 jets and 6.5 power valve at sea level and it ran great. It's a little on the rich side but with the Wico mag it's better to be on the rich side than lean.

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  17. RoddyB34
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    Posted this in the “what did you do today “thread but thought I’d post it here too,,We dismantled the A diff from our coupe ,,it has a Hot Rod Works centre and axle conversion,,and I am goingto make a solid spacer to go between the pinion bearings so preload is solidly set ,,it will be a bit of muckingaround but may strengthen things a bit wasn’t totally happy with my carrier preload so I can redo and be sure ,,,we are running a 3.0 mercruiser so it will have a little more sting ,,my local diff guy recommended this spacer ,,,still closed drive connected to a late 3 speed all synchro top loader with a t150 Jeep shift,,
     

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  18. ghalperin
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    I've been driving my banger with all my newly installed hop up parts for about a week. I'm already over the Lakes style header. It's just not for me. I have a NOS 4 into 1 header, that must be at least 30 years old, The guy I got it from told me it hung in his garage for over 25 years. It looks pretty good quality and has spacers welded onto it for the intake.

    I'm not sure what size pipe to use and what muffler. I was recently told to use the stock muffler and pipe, that doesn't make sense to me for added performance.

    Any suggestions for pipe size, pipe length and muffler?
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  19. V4F
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    im using a reds 4-1 header . works well . running a single muffler & split after for dual out lets . glass packs don't live long & then its like straight pipes . with my system I have little room for a muffler . I originally built it around a porter 12" muffler (actually it was a straight thru) . I now have a (12") all metal baffled muffler . still a little loud but its ok . I think to get mine quit it would have to be a complete new system . mine comes out in front of both rear wheels . a longer out the back could have more possibities . I guess it depends on your taste & how loud you want
    it . this is mine ..………..
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  20. ghalperin
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    Thanks for the quick reply, what size pipe are you using?
     
  21. V4F
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    i believe the header is 2 1/2 , therefore 2 1/2" exhaust pipe .
     
  22. V4F
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    how does that spacer affect the races in the diff ? how does it affect pre-load ?...……… steve
     
  23. RoddyB34
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    Hi Steve ,I presume the spacer will do the job like a crush washer does in a late model diff when collapses down to achieve desired preload and support for their pinion bearings ,,the high powered guys use a solid spacer and shims between bearings to avoid crush washer collapses ,,what are your thoughts maybe I’m overthinking this ,,
     
  24. V4F
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    looks like a one time set . I presume you use shims . really cool idea ………. I still have the "A" diff , so I use inch pounds for preload ……..
     
  25. Looking to get auto advance for my banger.
    Do you guys recommend the NuRex Automatic Spark Timing System (Mechanical Advance)
    Or an FSI Distributor?
     
  26. Crazydaddyo
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    A model B distributor has centrifugal advance.

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  27. On a budget built banger, would that be the smartest option?


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  28. I would say yes, plus they are easy to understand and work on.
     
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  29. Crazydaddyo
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    Yes, but it depends how much you will drive it. If you plan on driving it a lot, the the FSI is your best solution.

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