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November 2013 Banger Meet

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jiminy, Nov 2, 2013.

  1. Jiminy
    Joined: Oct 25, 2012
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    Here is the banger link list .


    For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

    Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



    Banger basics. another info link list:

    http://www.fordgarage.com/

    http://www.billsbangers.com

    http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

    Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...=470853&page=6

    Model B rod bearing insert numbers
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...84#post6992484


    Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
    http://www.centuryperformance.com/tu...e-spg-148.html

    Adjusting dual Strombergs:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...61#post6638461

    Helpful Model A tools and tips:

    http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

    Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...&postcount=109

    Elrod's stuck head tech:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=218487

    Model A generator to alternator conversion:

    http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

    Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

    http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php


    Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

    Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

    http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?...icdancrnxypd05


    Chevy Banger Stuff

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/T...e-Ricardo-1931

    Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...470853&page=10

    Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

    If anyone knows of more, please post them.

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  2. I am going to run a Burns dual intake with 81's on my 32 Tudor. Can I get some examples of the fuel line and throttle linkages you are using (especially with a B fuel pump).

    Are the motor side plates the same size for an A or a B? Who sells a cover to block the oil return hole?
     

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  3. Carter
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    The A and B covers are not interchangeable.

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  4. Photo of rear end with snubber installed. I don't use gaskets but set preload with spacers behind bearings. In this assembly helper wiped excess silicone, I usually trim excess with sharp blade.
     

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  5. johnneilson
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    Had a nice '19 "T" show up at the local show this morning.
    Pretty nice, sporting a OHC Rajo with belt drive for cam.

    The best part was the 3 generations of family with the PU and the stories of Great Grandfather working on it well into his 90's.

    It would be nice to see at a Hill climb, hopefully soon.

    J
     
  6. Bluto
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    I'm still here:)
     
  7. Crazydaddyo
    Joined: Apr 6, 2008
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    Thanks for starting the new meet.
    Went for a nice drive this AM down PCH.
    Testing out the new trans.
    Getting ready for this:
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  8. Stick Shift
    Joined: Oct 2, 2005
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    from LENA IL

    I'm looking for some info on the head of my T motor. The head has SUPER X on it. I got the car in pieces about 5 years ago and getting ready to put it back together. Thanks for any help.

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  9. RussTee
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    For something a little different, I have been asked to organise a display of banger type cars the type we all like here some will be old time period specials some speedsters and some are modern builds in a H.A.M.B. friendly style. It will take place at a large hotrod and Muscle car show I did this once before and the public were totally confused as were some of the owners are they restored cars are they period specials or are they hot rods how do I best present them it is something not often seen here but does create a lot of interest? To give examples one is a early Tee speedster with a roof head speedster body vee radiator all pre 1920s but fully restored the owner considers it a hotrot another a recent build tee speedster with a high finish and really inovative engineering the owner is a vintage car man there will also be 30 A coupe with an injected millar head and several others with overheads and period historic racing specials with what we call banger type motors. My question is how best do I present this to the general public and what should I put with them to suport the display. Since the last display a couple of years ago there is a growing swell in this type of car but how best do I sell it.
     
  10. noboD
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    Sounds like a neat display. But if you have to explain it they probably won't understand anyway.
     
  11. jerseyboy
    Joined: Jul 17, 2006
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    RussTee,

    How about showing some period pictures, poster-size, mounted on stands and a timeline of early hot rodding. These can be placed about the vehicles.

    Maybe get the drivers to provide some info. about each car.
     
  12. (Continued from last month's banger thread)

    I don't know, if helps or confuses, but I put a milled and filled head on my engine this spring, and it has been running great ever since. Sorry for the late photos...

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    Didn't take the time to measure the volume (and differences between chambers!), so can't help with compression ratio.
     
  13. jerseyboy
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    Dannerr,

    What material did you use to fill the chamber?
     
  14. Sorry I didn't tell, but I bought it at Holbæk Swap meet as it is. So I can't take credit, nor help with the filling material. :(

    Supposedly it was used in a car, driven by the danish resistance movement, in the fight against the Germans during WW2- but any geezer on a swap meet can say that... I don't know of a way to tell the age of the modification, so I can't tell.
     
  15. 30 A coupe
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    Hi banger guys,
    I can use some help, this is the set-up I'm trying out at the moment. Henry (hotrod holland on the HAMB) made me an exhaust and intake for me. I'm running three carbs with the outside carbs hooked up with a progressive throttle linkage. I first ran with the outside carbs idle screws completely closed and the throttle butterflies also closed at idle. The outside carbs open at half throttle. With this adjustment the car ran good, very good throttle respons but driving slowly the engine stutters. But the sparkplug tips were white, not a good sign, to lean I think. With the throttle butterflies and idle screws closed the carb still draws a lot of oxygen.
    After that I adjusted all three carbs idle screws and throttle. Driving was the same but the plugs were black, to rich. Still stuttering engine driving slow.
    I did not change the jets yet, so that's my next step.
    Here are some pics and maybe a video also (if I can post that)

    Thanks,

    Eddy

    http://images45.fotki.com/v153/photos/5/1067625/8700305/40405104920277-vi.jpg

    http://images41.fotki.com/v1577/photos/5/1067625/8700305/46405104926326-vi.jpg

    http://images62.fotki.com/v1453/photos/5/1067625/8700305/58405104938719-vi.jpg

    http://images53.fotki.com/v1520/photos/5/1067625/8700305/50405104930934-vi.jpg

    http://youtu.be/pRT51gbylf4
     
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  16. RichFox
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    White plugs sometimes means so rich the plugs are washed. It's not always lean.
     
  17. 30 A coupe
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    Thanks Richfox, I'll check that out. I have to order some smaller jets so I can start changing those first,
    Eddy


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  18. Still banging in bako fellas. Hit CHRR like always last month and bought my first V8s..... (2) v8-60s "bangers little big brother" as some model A club members said to me haha. Here's a few pics of my exploits.

    Also went to Vern Tardels big yard sale this past weekend, no banger stuff there but lots of stock model a parts for chassis stuff if any of you are needing mechanical brake parts front and rearends etc...

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  19. Crazydaddyo
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    Eddy,
    You haven't told us enough about your engine. What Compression ratio, cam, valves, bore size are you running?
    Are those 97's or 81's?

    From my experience, you are over carbureted. The stumble is coming from a lack of vacuum. I have had success tuning these set ups by putting restriction plates under the secondary carbs. I would start with a piece of 1/16" sheet with two 5/8" holes under the throttle bores of the two secondary carbs.

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  20. 30 A coupe
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    Hi Crazydaddyo, it's an H & H touring engine,
    Standard bore
    G7 cam .320 lift. 280° dur
    Crank 4.250 stroke
    Valves in. 1.750 - ex. 1.562
    The carbs are new 97's
    5.9 comp. head

    I had hoped that running three carbs with two of them progressive would work, but it's not as easynas I thought :)
    Eddy



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  21. Bluto
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    They will work fine if you make a plate to blank off the outer two and run it on one :cool:
     
  22. 30 A coupe
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    Yep, I know but that's when everything else fails :)


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  23. Bluto
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    Everything else will ......... sorry
     
  24. Crazydaddyo
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    With your engine, I'm afraid Bluto is right. You'll need at least 7:1 Comp ratio with that set up.

    The lift on that cam might be a little low for that duration too.


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  25. Ha Ha, remember these terms, "milled and filled". "chopped and channeled", "nosed and decked", "tuck and roll", "racked"(long A) "dash board cam", "long Lincoln's", "tall gears" "3/8's by 3/8's"

    Test to follow !!
     
  26. Bill, i need to meet you someday and hear some of your stories.

    I have seen a few 3 carb setups in modern times but at least 1 carb was a dummy on the intake for "looks". The 3 carb intake a buddy has on a hot B engine has 3 Stromberg 81s on it.... center carb is a dummy with a blockoff plate.
     
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  27. memaerobilia
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    These Banger side-plates have been sitting on the shelves, collecting dust since I retired from vintage race car restoration in 1992. My Dad & I restored some 38 vintage racers prior to that, including many four banger engines from mild to wild.

    My Dad, who had built some 200 cars from 1937-1990, Got the patterns from Legendary race engine builder Joe Gemsa, inclduing his OWN version, seen here. We used to give them to the local old-timer foundry guy, who would run off 4 at a time, when he had some down-time, between his other orders. Between our own use, and selling them to other restorers,they did not stay on the shelves long, back in the 70's and 80's..The extra holes at the bottom If I recall, were the two different patterns for A & B. All holes in the Gemsa pattern were/are plugged with casting clay, for the new castings, and we would drill the pattern we needed from the gasket layed on..The other two (short & tall versions-for use-depending on overhead or not, set-up,) are ready to use on B or C without extra holes.
     

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  28. 30 A coupe
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    Crazydaddyo, Bluto,
    it seems I better forget trying to work out my three carb deal. I also have a two carb Tattersfield intake, if I put in smaller jets in the carbs do you think I can make those run decent?
    Crazydaddyo, I will also try out the restrictor plates, maybe that will work.
    Thanks,
    Eddy


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  29. Crazydaddyo
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    You might think about blocking the center one and running off of the outer two. But 2 97's are still a little too much for your engine.


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  30. ebtm3
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    "Dash board cam"

    Boy it's been a long time since I heard that! Bust out laughing when I read it. Remember the spark plug about a foot from the end of the exhaust pipe? The dash board cam made that much more effective.

    The good old days--throw a plate on whatever you felt like driving. An acquaintance that could create something that looked like a state inspection sticker from a few feet away was a highly valuable resource. Almost of equal value was the ownership of a set of number stamps, so that a "serial number" (VIN? what the flock is a VIN?) could be stamped into the frame somewhere---

    Never to return. Sad.

    Herb K
     

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