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Technical Norton' Liquid Ice vs 3M Buff and Polish...any feedback?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by roll of the dices, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. Looking for some feedback...
    I am about to start cutting and buffing my freshly painted roadster and wondering which one should I use, hoping someone with some experience can chime in.
    Looking for ease to use but most important best results.
    I have a basecoat, clear coat paint system.

    Norton's seem easy enough, which my be good for a first timer like me
    1 compound, 3 pads

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    3M's is 3 pads, 3 compounds. I read some reviews and claims better results but more time consuming

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  2. jimmy six
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    Just a question. Are you going to color sand first or start with the compounds?
    I am not a professional by any means but was told, and it worked for me, to color sand all surfaces finishing with 3000 before compounds. I usually started with 1000 when I got better with paint/clear. Also tape all edges and corners 1/4” in so not to go thru to metal.
    I’ve used 3M, an older series, and was pleased with the outcome. I still have some.
     
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  3. Yes, I plan to color sand. 1000/2500/3000
    Good idea using 1/4" tape on edges. I will be doing that for sure
     
  4. Jones St.
    Joined: Feb 8, 2020
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    Jones St.

    What polisher/buffer are you using? How much prior experience do you have using it?
     

  5. I can narrow down my experience to a handful of hours.
    Did the bells for the roadster a few small parts but nothing as big as a body, doors, hood and trunk
    I have a HF polisher but been eyeing a used dewalt

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  6. Jones St.
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    Jones St.

    Foam pads will be a good beginners start. https://www.lakecountrymfg.com/ Using their pads are cheaper than the over priced 3M line. Backing plates too. A dual action unit from Porter Cable will further the finish when you are through w/the rotary work. 3 inch plate & pads will blow your mind in what they can do in both rotary & orbital work.
     
  7. Jones St.
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    Jones St.

  8. You have the cheap 3M listed. The stuff in the purple bottles is better. I have no exp. with the Norton but I know many who use the 3M.
     

  9. Thank you. Some great advice!
     
  10. You mean this one?
    Good to know. Thank you

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  11. Bill, are you referring to the purple one mentioned above, as you compound of choice, or something different?

    Thx
     
  12. I have used the 3M purple, but I am referring to a completely different product kit made by CSI. The vast majority of paint guys who try it, never go back to 3M. There is a bit of a learning curve for guys who have been cutting & buffing for a long time though. Once you get it, it is lights out!

    https://csishine.com/collections/ceram-x-polish-part-number-62-203

    God Bless
    Bill
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/
     
  13. Jones St.
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    Jones St.

    The CSI is very good. It is a compound run through a fine grinder for that 'nano' term. Also mixed in a mild polish to further the refinement.
     
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  14. I like it! Thank you for sharing.
     
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  15. HSF
    Joined: Oct 25, 2014
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    I personally use 3m perfect it 2 for cutting. If you are going all the way to 3,000, won't take much to buff. I use 3m with 3m foam cutting pads then black polish with a black pad. Race glaze polish on an orbital after that. If you really want to make life easy, cut it with 600-800 wet and shoot 3-4 coats of clear. Definitely worth the extra effort and cost.
     
  16. HOTRODNORSKIE
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    Tried all kinds of compounds over the years but keep going back to 3M . Keep in mind that most brands just fill in the sand scratches 3M removes them.
     
  17. I was leaning towards CSI but can't get any customer service :-(
    Anyone has contact info for them?
    Their website doesn't show an address or phone number and I've tried the contact form twice but no response so far.
     
  18. indyjps
    Joined: Feb 21, 2007
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    I've only used 3M. Learned on it in a body shop and haven't seen a reason to change.
    My bottles are black, bought them years ago and keep them in the house. Don't know of the "cheap" or better version.
     
  19. Scrapin’Metal
    Joined: Mar 19, 2018
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    Scrapin’Metal

    We tried the Norton ice package from Eastwood. Worked out well and cut well. Color sanded 3000/5000 and it did cut the 5000 scratches well. Cleaned up easy pads held up.
    We did go over again with 3M Machine glaze as a final and really cleaned up and imperfections. 9B1F8772-47AD-436E-947A-231E5A03D6B9.jpeg E68E3C31-3624-4399-B305-23B39869695B.jpeg 6582676D-5502-4AA7-BD34-89F22F68565F.jpeg
     
  20. Roothawg
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    Daaaaaaaang son! That is sweet!
     
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  21. That is beautiful!! WOW!
     
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  22. I use a shit ton of Wizards, turbo cut and finish cut. White foam pad. Then I use 3M machine glaze with the black pad. Me and my customers are happy with the results. I use 1500-2000-3000. The secret is in the clear you're using. Compound doesn't mean a thing if you use cheap clear.
     
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