One more reason of WHY I would like to see the Jr. Stock discussions part of HAMB continue until the end in 1971 is there was NO Jr. stock at all until INDY of 1964. They were just called lower class stockers running for class wins only. No major money to be awarded. Just a class trophy and a small amount of contingencies at national events. Indy of 1964 was the very first NHRA event that that the premier association included the "Little Guys" in an eliminator of their own largely due to the Christmas tree being introduced in 1963. Even the Winter nationals of 1964 did NOT have a Jr. Stock eliminator. Just class only. Phil Chisholm in his 1964 Chevy wagon 327/250 HP with a P/G won the first Jr stock eliminator over Jon Callender's 1959 283/two barrel 4-speed Biscayne. Thus the beginning of the NHRA Jr. stock in 1964. There was some car length spots being used prior at local tracks that I even ran (and Lost....LOL) in 1963 and 1964 at Maryland tracks after winning in a 1953 Flat head Ford N/S. The first track that I had in my area was Capitol Raceway in Crofton Md. to use the Xmas tree with 5 yellow lights back in the day and I was able to win stock eliminator a couple of times (Didn't pay much back in 65)in my 1965 426 street wedge Plymouth(yes it was after 1964....sorry) before the Army grabbed me for a south east Asian vacation in 1966. They did split the B/S class into two classes back then (BB/S and B/S depending on carburation.) I could not beat the BB/S tri-powered 4-speed GTO's but I held my own against the B/S single 4 GTO's with automatics.. My car was an automatic also and that helped as the 64-65-66 GTO automatic was a 2 speed like the Chevy P/G. The high stall converters were almost non existent back in 1964-65. I hope the Super Moderators will read this and take the info into consideration about extending the BS sessions to 1971. There is not much to talk about before Indy of 1964 about Jr. stock other than class heads up.. Thanks for putting up with me.