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Technical nailhead clutch linkage; anyone got an exploded view?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by atch, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. atch
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    Here is what I have. I bought this stuff off of the bay about 25 years ago so I have no idea what specific car(s???) it came off of.

    Pic 1 & 2 show it before I disassembled it.
    Pic 3, 4, 5, & 9 are there just to show what I have.
    Pic 6, & 7, show the clutch release shaft disassembled but in order.
    Pic 8 shows it assembled but without the home-made piece (well; the horseshoe shaped piece in the middle that contacts the throw out bearing isn't on the shaft but I'm only asking about the pieces on the end).

    In the first two pix you can see this wonky home-made arm in place. When I put it all together without this home-made piece the threaded shaft with the ball on the end doesn't screw all the way in. You can see the gap if you look at pic 8 closely.

    So here are my questions:
    1. was there a piece that was supposed to go in this sequence that made the threaded piece screw all the way into the clutch release shaft?
    2. if so what did it look like?
    3. if so can I buy or make one?
    4. if not what do you suppose I'm doing wrong that keeps this from screwing together all the way?
    5. does anyone have an exploded view that shows what kind of linkage connects the clutch pedal to this ball shaped gizmo (not the ball I mentioned above, but the other one on the short "arm")? In my peabrain I'm envisioning something like the dogbones used on Houdaille shocks, but it probably isn't.
    Note: I left these pix as thumbnails so you wouldn't have to be scrolling up and down but full-sized shows what I'm talking about much better. The 2nd pic shows where this home-made piece was in the sequence better when blown up. b-t-w; that home-made piece is about 3/16" thick.

    20220104_200038.jpg 20220104_200052.jpg 20220104_202300.jpg 20220104_202312.jpg 20220110_233955.jpg 20220111_003547.jpg 20220111_003557.jpg 20220111_003710.jpg bellhousing 1.jpg
     
  2. fastcar1953
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    What year? Do you have a service manual for the year of bellhousing? They may have a exploded view.
     
  3. atch
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    Like I said at the very beginning, I have no idea of what car, what year, what engine, etc. I'm assuming 401 or 425, but don't know for sure.

    And one other thing: I've Googled, searched on here, searched on some Buick sites, perused my Motor Manuals, etc., and have come up dry everywhere.
     
  4. squirrel
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    Can you get a clear picture of the numbers on the bellhousing?
     

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  6. atch
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    bellhousing:

    20220107_163705.jpg

    the little horseshow shaped piece that contacts the throwout bearing:

    20220107_224041.jpg



    I struck out searching those numbers also. All I got was ebay sales links.


    .
     
  7. atch
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    The pix in that link look more like what I have. They have the same numbers also.

    It doesn't appear that mine ever had a spring on the shaft. Also the shape of the rear flat on the bell housing (in your attached pix) looks different. I found that same bellhousing several times in my searches but never any that were the same as what I have.
     
  8. atch
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    Jim,

    It looks like the small piece shown in your 7th and 8th pictures (or something very similar) is what I'm missing. And the home-made piece that I have was probably made to do the same function when someone put this stuff in a car other than what it came out of.

    I'm guessing that if that's the case the two holes in the home-made piece were for linkage and spring. Maybe I need to plan on using that piece; or making something similar that looks a lot better but serves the same function.
     
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  9. Joe Blow
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    Found this from a guy with parts books:

    Stick bellhousing
    1358905 bellhousing is for,

    63 LeSabre, Invicta wagon, and Wildcat 4-speeds
    64 Wildcat and wagon 4-speeds
    65 Wildcat 4-speeds

    That bellhousing also may be used on the 63/64/65 LeSabre 3-speeds, but I don't have one of those cars in front of me so I won't swear to it. I am sure it is the same for the 63 3-speeds, they had 401s, but the 64 LeSabres only had the small motors, and the part has a completely different number.

    Bottom line is it is not correct for the smaller series manual shift cars that i am aware of.

    It is interesting to note that my 64 parts book lists the upper flywheel housing as having part number 1358906, but I have a few of those back on the shelf and they are all 1358905. Typo, maybe?
     
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  10. atch
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    Thanx for all that information. I saw the same typo question (1358905 vs 1358906) on some of the Buick sites I looked at.

    And what it came out of isn't really a concern, but the linkage I've mentioned above is quite important. Does his parts books say anything about that? Or have an exploded view?
     
  11. Joe Blow
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    No, it was just in answer to a question of what it was out of.
    https://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/manual-trans-bellhousing.78296/
     
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  13. Joe Blow
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    Four speed transmission schematic is at 14:57.....what you need should be close to there somewhere.
     
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