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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by southcross2631, Oct 22, 2016.

  1. southcross2631
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    savannahDan. You are correct. I have a fresh .020/.020 crank and with some Eagle rods and SRP pistons
    it will be a 13 to 1 294 cu.in. revver . I am getting recommendation's in the .680 lift range and 265/270 range duration @.050. . It should hit a good lick and have the power band of a 2 stroke.
     
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  2. savannahDan
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    I recently was reading about a 306 build, AFR 165s, 13:1 or so, 520 some odd hp. This is the cam card. It peaked at 7100. It was on E85 however.
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  3. southcross2631
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    Thanks. I will look it up . Has anyone had any experience with Mike Jones cams ? He is from N.C.
    That's a pretty low rpm number. I am thinking I would need another thousand rpm's to make over 520 hp out of my little motor. Where was the article ?
     
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  4. savannahDan
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    it was by a user on facebook in the pushrod fords group. The peak may seem low due to the heads - AFR 165 are pretty efficient but the runner volume/cross section may be tempering the power band to some degree. Larger runners could shift the peak rpm higher, just a guess.
     
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  5. southcross2631
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    It must be a custom grind because it is not on their online catalog. They assign part numbers to their custom stuff.
    My ProMaxx shocker 210 heads flow way more than the AFR-165 heads. So it could make more power up top especially with more carburetor. I am contemplating a 950 cfm carb. My AED 750 flows around 820 cfm.
    They will build carbs just for the SEGA once I sent them the rules.
    Thanks again for the info. Are you going to Aiken ? I would love to, but the car is out of commission until next season.
    Going to start painting as soon as I get done with back surgery on the 25th of this month.
     
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  6. savannahDan
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    yes it is a custom grind. I'll be at Aiken and Shadyside.
    On the specialty carbs...do they make more power? Comparing a 750 dp right out of the box tuned for 12.5:1 AFR, vs an AED or whoever, same size, same AFR....any power advantage?
     
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  7. southcross2631
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    Yes they do make more power. The Holley HP stuff has gotten better due to competition, but a blueprinted tuned for your application will give you more.
    They also asked me a lot of questions before they built the carb. If I was going to the race I would bring my carb and let you try it.
     
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  8. 6sally6
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    Haven't used him personally but.........Mike Jones is considered a real guru when it comes to camshafts. I believe his Dad was in the same business. I thing a lot of his 'bread & butter' is with the NASCAR crowd. He's real cutting edge. Like I said...don't know him but....have heard nothing but good about his stuff.
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  9. southcross2631
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    Good news ! Just got off the phone with Paul from Liberty Gears. Due to popular demand they are starting to manufacture a 300M input shaft conversion for the small input shaft Toploader 4 speeds.
    So you don't have to buy a new clutch disc and a new throw out fork and modify your small block fork. You don't have to buy a new front bearing retainer and throw out bearing.
    Just ship them your twisted input shaft and they will cut it off and drill out the shaft and press in the new 300 M shaft and weld it up and ship it back to you. Lead time right now is about 2 months and the cost is $305.00 plus shipping. In the future if you should make enough power to damage that shaft they will cut the weld and install a replacement for a little over a hundred bucks.
    For guys like me that have a toploader with Liberty guts and can't afford a Jerico or one of the other aftermarket 4 speeds. It is a blessing. I was going to think long and hard about which way to go seeing as I need to build a new short block also.
     
  10. AHotRod
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    Mike Jones is a Guru, as 6sally6 has stated. I've known Mike for many years, he has a understanding of cam design and technology that very few poses. He is a Go-To for Indy Car engines, as mentioned NASCAR, land speed, off shore boat engines, etc. His ability to make a lot of power and torque where you want and need it, and alow the valve train to live long term is second to none.
     
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  11. saltflats
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    That is good news, I have been looking at my top loader and trying to figure out what I should do before install or just install it.
     
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  12. southcross2631
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    Mine made 3 passes before twisting the input shaft. Traction ,high rpm's and horsepower are 3 things they do not like.
    I can't believe how bad I beat on the one 's in the past, but tires have improved and I was even running a low spring pressure diaphragm pressure plate in my Morris to try and help the transmission.
    Now after I get my input shaft back I can find the next weakest link. Probably twist the tail shaft off.
    Paul said to put a stripe line on it and check a few times during the season. My little motor that I am building will not have much torque and a light switch power band.
     
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    Glad to see you've got a plan hatched to get it back going!
     
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  14. southcross2631
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    I was given this photo from Knoxville . It looks like it was working,too bad I didn't get some more passes to work on it. DSCF3572.JPG
     
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    A very good friend offered me a 351 Windsor crate motor that he's had for 10 years and never installed in anything. He said it made around 500 hp when new. Not nearly enough in present form.
    The problem is that it puts me right in the middle of the 2 weight breaks for A and B/Gas.
    It's 357 cu.in. and I don't realistically see 300 lbs. to take off to make A/Gas. Chrome Moly cage , all aluminum interior panels , tube front axle vs. I beam . Fiberglass front end. Seeing as how the block is heavier than my 289 block.
    I could use the block and stroke it to 408 and use my heads and the weight is perfect as is . 2448 and the car is 2464 with me in it now.
    I could add 400 lbs and stay in B/Gas. Use my heads and add some compression and a new cam.
    It will need to be torn down as it is on a stand and gets started and run on regular basis.
    probably gas washed cylinder walls from all of the short run no load starts.
    Just another thought to mess up my off season. I know that new headers would be in order, but that was in the plans anyway.
     
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    While I forced to just sit around and recover from my back surgery. I was looking back at some old pictures of former race cars and realized that I have been missing some old friends and started to look them up.
    One of them is the guy that used to do all of my machine work when I was running dirt track and then went back to the dragstrip. I knew he had left south Ga. to try some new adventures.
    So I googled him and found he had moved back and had a shop, so a phone call and we spent almost an hour on the phone catching up and when I mentioned my Morris he said he hadn't heard of the SEGA and was intrigued by the thought of a small cubic inch ,high rpm motor with no electronics.
    So as soon as I can travel we are loading up my 289 block and heading to South Ga. to see if we can rekindle some of the magic that allowed a successful run of wins on the dirt and on the drag strip.
    Might surprise a few folks and put a bowtie on that blue oval.
    I am open minded to any of his ideas.
     
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    Great News!
    I wish you all the best in recovery and Horse Power!
     
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    Be sure and stay away from Miller's Cave!o_O
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  22. southcross2631
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    Looked for that for years, never could find it.
     
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  23. southcross2631
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    Got my main girdle in yesterday. Started mocking it up today and ran into a slight issue.
    Contacted PRW and they are working on getting me the correct hardware so the oil pump will set down on the block. DSCF3573.JPG
     
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  24. southcross2631
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    In spite of being busy with the SEMA show. Shaun from PRW managed to take the time to send me a shorter stud and the nut needed to attach the girdle and to clear my oil pump.
    Customer service is not really prevalent in a lot of companies these days. It's good to see some companies take care of their customers.
     
  25. southcross2631
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    Finally healed up a little bit from my back surgery to do a little bit. Still can't lift over 30 lbs until Jan.
    I made my steering stabilizer brackets and got the stabilizer installed. Should help cure the death wobble that I experienced at Knoxville.
    Got my main girdle mocked up. Now just need to order some bearings and polish the crank. DSCF3575.JPG DSCF3574.JPG
     

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