after reading the thread about Logan Lathes, I found this. there is an upcoming auction that has these two machines. I am COMPLETLY in the dark about metal lathes but would like to learn. Remember, i'm 69 and I ain't getting a job in a machine shop. so i'm asking the HAMB, too much for a beginner? value? there is tooling also but will be sold separate from the machines. please give your opinions, smartass remarks are welcome too.